A Small, Stubborn Town: Life, death and defiance in Ukraine - Andrew Harding Audiobook
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‘Extraordinary.’ Philippe Sands
‘We are touched by the courage and dignity of Andrew Harding’s characters - qualities that the author must surely possess in equal measure.’ - Andrey Kurkov
‘A story of extraordinary heroism by ordinary people. - James Meek
‘This gripping account is the Russian invasion of Ukraine in microcosm.’ - Lindsey Hilsum
The Russians are invading. But the locals have a plan.
It’s March 2022 and Russian tanks are roaring across the vast, snow-dusted fields of Ukraine. Their destination: Voznesensk, a town with a small bridge that could change the course of the war.
The heavily-armed Russians are expecting an easy fight - or no fight at all. After all, Voznesensk is a quiet farming town, full of pensioners. But the locals appear to have other ideas.
Svetlana, a grandmother with arthritis, reacts in fury when Russian troops turn her cottage into their blood-soaked headquarters. Valentin, a quick-talking lawyer, joins the town’s ‘Dads Army’ defenders, crouching in a trench with an AK47. Meanwhile, 21-year-old Sergei grabs a Molotov cocktail and lies in wait for Russian tanks as they push towards Dead Water Bridge.
The odds are terrible. But a plan is emerging, and there’s a chance it could save not just Voznesensk, but the rest of southern Ukraine. Meanwhile, inside the tanks, an inner battle rages. As Russian officer Igor Rudenko prepares to invade, he has a secret. He is Ukrainian himself.
A gripping work of reportage that tells the story of a pivotal moment in Ukraine’s war, this is a real-life thriller about ordinary people facing extraordinary circumstances with resilience, humour and ingenuity.
‘[Andrew Harding is] one of our most gifted and sensitive journalists’ - Jon Snow
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This post has 85 comments with rating of 4.5/5
August 15th, 2023
Poor Ukraine - play dangerous game win dangerous prize.
August 15th, 2023
Dangerous to be enemy of USA but deadly to be friend.
August 15th, 2023
Thank you
August 15th, 2023
A tribute to the courage of Ukrainian people against brutal imperial invasion & savage oppression.
August 15th, 2023
The “imperial invasion” and “savage oppression” comes from the USA which is clear if you do your homework.
August 15th, 2023
You’ve clearly failed your homework assignment. Russia invaded a sovereign neighbour (again) in an act of imperial aggression. Russia demonstrably terrorises its neighbours, stupidly forcing them to join NATO in order to secure protection from yet more invasion. The Putin regime is culpable for mass murder, torture, rape & extensive human rights violations (which you ignorantly mock).
None of this can be remotely obscured by vacuous “ButWhatAboutAmericaAgain?!” But go ahead & impotently try.
August 15th, 2023
How many times has the USA invaded sovereign nations? Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria. And this does not include many color revolutions and election tampering (think Central and South America.)
August 15th, 2023
And don’t forget economic sanctions which the USA has weaponized against countries around the globe with the side-effects often as devastating as war.
August 15th, 2023
You think South Korea regrets American & international support? If only the North Koreans could have been saved from brutal despotism. South Korea is one of the most successful countries in the world.
On Libya: US & allies carried out airstrikes in support of the Tripoli-based Govt of National Accord against the ISIL presence in the region.
And yes, Russia has also invaded Afghanistan, Eastern Europe (Poland - several times), Ukraine (several times), Georgia, Chechnya, supported terrorism around the world, poisonings, interfered in elections abroad, denied democracy & human rights at home, oppressing its own people within Russia, operating concentration camps, state slavery, intentionally organised the systematic starvation of millions of Ukrainians in the Holodomor, used Syrians as target practice, and on, and on.
These are some of the many reasons that “WhatAboutAmericaAgain?!” falls flat.
The book concerns the Russian imperial invasion of sovereign Ukraine, and Ukrainians courageous defence of their country - because they actually know their history, and who they’re dealing with.
August 15th, 2023
Caeaser, give it a rest. Even most thinking Americans don’t think of America’s war as virtuous but just project of unelected neocons hell bent on destroying World. There was no invasion of Ukraine. Some russian speaking Ukrainians did not want to be part of fascist state (after all forced to renounce your language, religion, identity and forced to live as second class citizen and shelled daily should not be defended by anyone).
There were two treaties signed by Ukraine not to kill its Russian speaking citizens and they reneged bot the times, so Russia moved in to defend hapless citizens. It is not called invasion. Russians did it in second world war against Germans too when they closed these Nazi camps which were run by Ukrainians under German supervision.
August 15th, 2023
Give it a rest indeed. “America’s war” - Are you trying to refer here to Russia’s latest invasion of sovereign Ukraine? “destroying World” - So, don’t invade sovereign neighbours. Stop terrorising.
“There was no invasion of Ukraine” - Spectacular self-refutation there.
“Some russian speaking Ukrainians” - The transparent Sudetenlander ruse. It’s been observed, yes.
“fascist state” - Yeah, the Putin regime ought to allow free & fair democratic elections in Russia; cease its extensive human rights abuses; & stop invading & terrorising sovereign neighbours. Can’t argue with that.
The Putin regime did indeed renege on treaty obligations, yes. (Russia first broke its treaty commitments under the Budapest Memorandum in 2014, with its invasion & annexation of Crimea & aggression in eastern Ukraine.)
In 1939 (following Russia’s intentional starvation of millions of Ukrainians during the Holodomor) - Russia jointly & brutally invaded Poland in cooperation with its national socialist allies. Russia continued to supply its German allies with essential war materials & supplies for several years.
Tellingly, Russia did not close its own vast network of concentration camps for many decades.
August 15th, 2023
@ceaser963 I’m an Afghan and an atheist and let me tell you this, I hate the western world for imposing its crap on us.
I will side with the Taliban or any local group that’s trying to keep Afghanistan’s sovereignty from impeding imperialist, any day of the week.
Lost two of my cousins and their dad in Kunduz when German forces shot them dead in their grape garden.
Who’s going to feed their children? Surly not the imperialist america.
The western world needs to be put in its place and thankfully it’s happening, albeit, slowly.
August 15th, 2023
Ah look it’s leftist propaganda and the usual face-painted posse is out defending it as always.
Forget the genocide of Russian speakers carried out by Zelensky, the ICC which is in the pocket of the US said it’s not happening even though there are 10,000+ graves that say it did.
Forget self-determination even though the UN agrees that the Donbass voted to be part of Russia, don’t those people know they’re slaves of Ukraine and a transvestite dictator with a mad cocaine habit?
Forget that this is to enrich the industrial war machine and the Biden family personally and, of course, the corrupt Ukrainian regime which has trousered billions of dollars in exchange for tens of thousands of Ukrainian lives lost.
All that matters is you can pretend that Russia is the aggressor (forget that it tried to join both NATO and the EU and warned of the consequences of trying to march the borders of either up to Russia while excluding Russia) and you can call other people “Putin puppets” (as though Putin is somehow paying people on a piracy site for their support).
If you want to know if you’re a terrible human being, you can tell when you’re cheering on a forever war and pretending that it’s a good thing because your team started the war.
Go on, call me a racist now, because that’s all you halfwits have.
August 15th, 2023
@staplar - I am very sorry for what the USA has done to your country.
August 15th, 2023
@staplar - Indeed, invasions - those of Afghanistan discussed above, or of Ukraine, are brutally destructive; quite apart from being entirely counterproductive. My own people experienced invasion & occupation - for 800 years. And we’re western, incidentally.
It will take vast spans of time (if ever) for liberal democracy, the rule of law, & the human rights-based legal order to develop in non-Western cultures. And it certainly can’t be imposed.
Sadly, it seems that nothing really can be done about the horrific regimes which tyrannise all of these unfortunate people. The treatment of women, gay people, minorities, people living in conditions of slavery, this can only be regretted. It must be hoped that the populations themselves can finally acknowledge & resolve this.
August 15th, 2023
One could add that screaming about “leftist propaganda” while rehashing overheated Cold War talking points about NATO aggression is yet another reminder that you are an exceedingly stupid specimen.
August 16th, 2023
@rodch1
“There was no invasion of Ukraine.”
Lick Putin’s scrotum, fanboi, LICK IT
August 16th, 2023
@rodch1
And how do you get to speak for “most thinking Americans” when you are so clearly Russian? Your spelling and sentence structure make that obvious. Take your weak propaganda somewhere else.
August 16th, 2023
@GordonCoon
And why the fück are you still alive you pathetic nazi? You are no use to anybody - you spend all day posting filthy nazi shït on an audiobook website. You offer nothing to the world. Do everybody a favour and just end it all.
August 16th, 2023
While I can’t endorse the self-destruct command, he is more than correct, Gordo, you are a nazi person. (In addition to apparently being a full-time fantasist; an intimate of Osama Bin Laden’s family; a demented con theorist; experienced across all the sciences - whilst being demonstrably scientifically illiterate; a sometime resident of Africa, the Middle East, etc. - these being coded terms for different sections of your dank basement; partnered to a transgender person; and all the other expedient claims & hilariously improbable assertions you have struggled to articulate.)
August 16th, 2023
Goomer’s dug another one out and caused another round of allegations and counter allegations. The usual suspects, saying the same things as usual, a truly pathetic set of salivating androids who just cannot think for themselves. And getting all ad hominem at anyone who dares to swim against the tide of propaganda and decides he can’t believe the liars who have lied to him so often in the past. Is anyone at home?:
You can’t get more repressive and right wing and fascist than hurling abuse at someone who can’t and won’t swallow the tripe tossed his way by the corporate western media. And hilariously the wannabe repressers are the ones who claim they are sticking up for free speech and liberty!
Whatever is said on here it’s plain that opinions are fixed and their owners are heavily invested in being unable to see another POV. Opinions so deeply ingrained in their ‘character’ they run from logic and squeal outrage at anybody with the temerity to turn their noses up at the sewage in the stream of propaganda.
You might think, if think you could, illodini, narcissist and tenbenson, why America should want near on 900 military bases in countries thousands of miles distant. And what America, which has engineered coups all over the world for the past 70 odd years, would do if Russia wanted a base in Mexico. Laughably you three are incapable of any such feat of imagination.
Putin went into the Donbass to protect those Russian speaking Ukrainian civilians who despite being given assurances in the Minsk accords that they could live in peace in their own oblast after the American engineered coup in 2014, had been subject to cluster bombing ever since. Had Yeltsin been in power he’d have opened the door for NATO, turned all his country’s resources over to that foul entity and had another drink.
From 2014 up to 2021 many papers were full of the rise of the Banderites in Ukraine. And now not a word.
The media dare not do other than fall in line.
And yet they’re speaking up for democracy. Yeah , right.
I see The Narcissist’s left a few adverbs at home this time. The fake outrage is still in evidence though.
August 16th, 2023
tenbenson gets a swear word in just by using an umlaut?
August 16th, 2023
Oh, Wobbly1933, attack-botting the uploaders now? With your automatic copy/paste of the standard con theories & Kremlin prop (which effluent you’re decidedly not swimming against - just swallowing). A “hardened” racist genocide denier/supporter, only attracted to a book site to mindlessly dump received copy/paste bumf from Grayzone (certainly not for the books!). Mocking victims of rape, torture & murder; worshipping imperial power, invasions & despotism; angrily dismissing fundamental rights as “Human rights blah blah!” People are “hurling abuse” (as he brainlessly hurls abuse).
Any genocidal, tyrannical regime in the world can be immediately exculpated by your subliterate “ButWhatAboutAmerica?!” screeds. Brilliant, heinrich, just brilliant. You even make Gordo look like a deeply intelligent non-racist humanitarian.
And “illodini?” - Now you’re screaming at people who aren’t even there, you illiterate gobshyte!
“Putin went into the Donbass to protect” Sudetenlanders (never mind, Wobbly1933, it’s an historical reference, so you won’t have a clue).
“Logic?” - Oy…
August 17th, 2023
@Webby1948
Have you ever been to Russia, Webby?
I have. I lived in Moscow for 2 years, leaving soon after the invasion (yes, invasion) of Crimea in 2014.
I have multiple Russian friends, the majority of whom have got the hell out and now live elsewhere.
In other words, you tedious little scrote, I know of what I speak and the only one here who sounds like he gets all his news from one source is you.
Come at me bro.
August 17th, 2023
@Webby1948
And your passionate defence of the actual nazi Gordon**** tells me everything I need to know about you
August 17th, 2023
@caesar963
It’s only nazis I would encourage to snuff themselves out. It’s not the kind of language I would use to anybody else because I’m fully aware of the power it holds. Nobody deserves to have someone tell them to take their own life.
Except nazis. There is no rational explanation for their existence and I want them all to die horribly as the rest of the world cheers and puts a Funkadelic record on.
August 17th, 2023
Yeah, but I think it’s manifestly obvious that Gordon (racist name) & his friend, Wobbly1933, while both being appalling, failed human beings, are also extremely isolated, hateful, vulnerable & deeply unhappy characters.
Only look at the repellent things they say & believe.
Swallowing everything they can source of Kremlin prop (which not even Russians believe) while maintaining that this marks them out as “critical thinkers;” in addition to genocide denial/support; weaponised racism; political & historical illiteracy; being duped by the most obvious con theories - which they mindlessly copy/paste; hysterically attacking uploaders & users of the site - while clearly having no interest in, or knowledge of, books; worshipping imperial power, brutal invasions & despotism; sneering at victims of rape, torture & murder; and on, and on.
This is basement-confined hatred & pathological delusion of the saddest stripe. More to be pitied than parodied.
August 17th, 2023
Hey Narcissist. Still can’t control the purple prose, eh? Like Doctor Strangelove, only they’re adverbs propelling themselves upward instead of a wayward arm. You ain’t never gonna write a thing worth a dime: ‘angrily dismissing’? ‘immediately exculpated ‘? And here’s my personal favourite: ‘mindlessly dump.’
I know nobody else takes you seriously any more, but do you believe even half the lame stuff you write? You got the arrogant audacity to use the Government of National Accord to support your dumb argument in support of a recent Libyan intervention as though you don’t know it’s a UN created entity and as if Libya wasn’t a total wreck of a slave market thanks to good ole NATO.
You know NATO. Behind every evil invasion of the past forty years.
But not in your eyes. Of course, it’s American led. It can’t possibly be Evil. When it kills millions upon millions, it’s not ‘genocide’. It’s just a moral stain!!! The good old ‘arsenole of ’democracy’. Put ‘democracy’ in quotes cos it’s just a symbolic excuse for pushing American hegemony via its Military Industrial Complex. America’s got no ‘democracy’. But dontcher luv it!
But you got one thing right, you old stopped clock. Get somebody to crayon it down in your calendar. Illodini isn’t here. He’s just one of your usual myrmidons and as tenbenson’s here I included him in case he turned up as well.
But onto other things.
For a start I’ve only got tenbenson’s word that he was anywhere near Russia. He doesn’t even know where he is half the time. And even if he was there for two years, what the hell does that prove? Two years doesn‘t make anybody any kind of an authority on a country’s politics or foreign policies. To claim it does, well, it shows how deep self deception can travel in an empty tube.
And how many heads it can sprout along the way.
Tenbenson’s heads, like your’s Narcissist, turn different ways at the same time. He hates Nazis, eh? What does he say about the Banderites and Azovs in Ukraine? Has he seen the insignias, or does he believe they’ve been photoshopped on for prop purposes? Likely the latter. After all, he’s lived in Russia for two years. He knows it all. Maybe he even knows Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join Russia in a referendum held after being ‘invaded’. Likely he thinks that’s propaganda too. Once your ‘mind’ is set it’s easy to deny any peg that doesn’t fit the hole.
Does he even know Zelensky virtually outlawed the Russian language after he was elected to make peace with Russia? To be a civil servant, doctor, or teacher an applicant had to speak Ukrainian, That should imply to anybody with a brain, that there were a good number of people who spoke only Russian, though they were Ukrainian citizens. Some British residents only speak Urdu but Britain hasn’t banned the language. Yet.
This is a good question, but it uses the word ‘think’ so it might be a bit difficult for TB and The Narcissist: Why do you think Zelensky was elected on a manifesto that included ‘making peace with Russia’ if relations between the two countries at the time of his election were all nice and peaceful?
As I’ve written/cut’n’pasted before, the western media made much of the rise of the hard rightwing in Ukraine after the 2014 Maidan/Odessa coup, and the war that was raging between West and East Ukraine despite the Minsk agreement. But they stopped as soon as the conflict went up a gear in 2022, switching to comply with NATO narrative requirements without missing a beat. Did either the Narcissist or TB utter so much as a disapproving ‘tut’ when 39 people were burned alive because they protested against the USA engineered coup? Even The Guardian, now so servile to purposes, called the perpetrators ‘hard right pro-Ukrainian nationalists’.
Francois Hollande and Angela Merkel helped broker an agreement which promised peace and limited sovereignty to the Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts. Now both admit it was a scam to give Ukraine time to arm and retake those areas. Areas, it should be said, that were quite content to live how they were, in peace, free of the Kiev/USA regime while remaining nominally Ukrainian.
The Nazis tenbenson claims to hate but now supports, continued to send missiles and petal bombs into civilian areas of East Ukraine for the next eight years. 15, 000 were killed but apart from the aforementioned Guardian and similar articles, little was made of it by Washington and London. Worse was to come. The Kiev regime was amassing forces for an all out attack and to hell with any agreement, when Putin sent in Russian troops.
Now, thanks to the billions of dollars and euros and pounds being poured into Ukraine, the conflict which has already led to hundreds of thousands of deaths shows no sign of relenting. Nobody in their right mind actually believes Russia wants to take over Europe but that’s the current tale, designed to garner support for more and more weapons, more and more deaths.
There won’t be a negotiated end so long as Zelensky insists upon Russia’s retreating to the 1991 boundary.
And he knows that. But he’s running out of forces. They’re even press ganging the middle aged, near elderly and even the mentally disabled off the streets of West Ukraine. And now there’s a black market in human organs made easier by laws passed by Zelensky in 2021 removing the need for a donor’s relatives’ permission.
What’s gonna happen to the oblasts that voted to join Russia, if the cluster bombing Kiev regime gets in there?
And if it did, if there was a blood bath, you’d say it was just a ‘moral stain’. Wouldn’t yer?
Might be the odd typo. We’re not all incels with time to waste.
August 17th, 2023
You present as utterly, barking mad, Wobbly1933!
You also positively scream isolated incel, but project away. That’s one hell of a lengthy, time-wasting rant - devoid of actual content, fact or reason (merely error piled upon falsehood). Copy/paste WhatAboutAmerica?! rants abound, however.
Your demented screed, naturally punctuated by hysterical screaming at people who aren’t there (”illodiini! Where are you?! The Jeeewz!!!”).
Mindless support of genocidal, slave state regimes - stopped clock indeed. And the old slavish worship of Assad, Gaddafi (under Gaddafi, “Libya was a paradise,” remember that beauty, heinrich?), Putin, the CCP, Saddam, etc. etc. (”But I’m a critical thinker, I am!”)
In addition to your standard Grayzone con theories, such as the Ukrainians are attacking themselves. You couldn’t make it up. (No, because someone else did; you just mindlessly copy this stuff out, much like a sadly malfunctioning prop bot.)
tenbenson’s credibility is based on his not being a mindless, copy/paste, basement prop bot, hatefully spewing other people’s obvious lies & fatuous con theories. So, that’s where you would differ, Wobbly1933.
Why did Putin’s regime invade any part of another sovereign country (& why do you unthinkingly support him)? Why does he use mercenaries & neo-nazi paramilitaries in order to destabilise regions within other sovereign states - seeking to deploy the “Sudetenlander” technique & the counterfeit imprimatur of artificial plebiscites?
Putin’s regime invaded & annexed Crimea; armed Russian-backed separatists; seized Ukrainian government buildings & declared the Donetsk & Luhansk republics (DPR & LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian govt forces. And you’re just upset that Putin’s Ukrainian puppet was ousted in a coup?
Since 2014, Russia has made false accusations against Ukraine of genocide in the Donbas region. Russian propaganda has claimed that Ukrainian authorities have undertaken measures in the war in Donbas that amount to genocide against the Russian speakers of Ukraine. They were manipulated by Putin as part of the pretext for his invasion of Ukraine.
Following the invasion, Ukraine brought a case before the ICJ concerning Russia’s military activities in Ukraine. The ICJ found no evidence to support the Russian accusation, & subsequently ordered Russia to “immediately suspend the military operations” of the invasion. Further reports by 30 legal & genocide scholars warned that Russian accusations against Ukraine are part of the “accusation in a mirror” technique (hey, that’s where you learned it, heinrich), ultimately revealing the Russian incitement to commit genocide against Ukrainians.
Before Putin began his full-scale invasion of sovereign Ukraine in 2022, the intensity of the hostilities in the Donbas had been steadily declining since the signing of the Minsk agreements in Feb 2015.
During the ongoing conflict, Russian forces & their separatist proxies have committed numerous war crimes, including the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, the intentional targeting of civilians by Russia in Mariupol, the shelling of civilians in Kramatorsk, attacks on civilian busses in Volnovakha, among others. The pro-Russian forces have also run secret torture prisons in the region. (Doubtless another reason for your unquestioning, servile support.)
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), which has been monitoring the conflict in Ukraine since 2014, said it had not found any evidence to support Russia’s allegations.
Of course, you make no mention of Putin’s torture chambers, just a lot of cheerleading for imperialist invasions & gross human rights abuses. (Or your “Human rights blah blah!”) You really do love a good genocide.
But it’s all just more of your received internet bumf & hatefully angry prop, as filtered through your pathological basement isolation. So you are truly nothing to see there, heinrich. Bitterly sitting there in your homespun feldgrau (suspiciously stained). Oy…
“if there was a blood bath?!” - “If?” Is there no end to your stupidity, Wobbly? Ranting & raving like the lunatic that you so clearly are.
August 19th, 2023
Knew you’d come back, Narcissist. You’ll keep going because doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is Your Thing. It’s a prime characteristic of the kind of individual you are.
The different result? Expecting this time to be taken seriously.
But that won’t happen. You say the dumbest things.
You demand to know ‘what are you doing on a book website?’ Implying I’m too dumb to be interested in books.
But the question reveals a lot about you, Narcissist. It reveals you not only think intelligence is a prerequisite of downloading audiobooks (how can it be? Yours and tenbenson’s comments evidence the contrary), you believe your intelligence is of such a high order it allows you to deride with impunity those who do not share your opinions. As if yours are the only ones that signify.
Your own malevolent manner and unwittingly hilarious expressions subvert any stature and credibility you might wish to arrogate to yourself. They expose you as a prating fool absorbed in a desperate search for validity.
And failing. Miserably.
That’s psychotic self deception. But then you are a narcissist.
When others’ opinions coincide with yours, you condescend like a benign uncle. (Reading your exchange with tenbenson the other day for instance, I was reminded of two unstable, mentally copulating epsilons). When someone dares to differ, you snarl at their impertinence like a rabid canine who thinks its territory is being threatened.
On other, less contentious subjects you confide little anecdotes you doubtless think are endearing, but which come across as the words of a know-all. Look at me! Listen to me!
That’s how narcissists behave.
Politically, your self image is invested so heavily in pro NATO/American rhetoric it’s impossible for you to summon the will and intellectual capacity necessary to reach any conclusion other than one which validates your preconceived opinions.
It’s an Orwellian world when those signalling loudest their hate for Nazism are the Opinion Fascists refusing to see the insignia on the sleeves of those they support. Such fascisti as they deny the right for alternative views to even exist, let alone have voice. Intolerance reminiscent of 1984.
I’ve read none of your recent self applauding, attention seeking diatribe. Not even to see if you brought attention to the aberrant apostrophe in ‘yours’. I have neither the time nor inclination. But I won’t post this if I see no comment of yours.
August 19th, 2023
Once again, you bring no content whatsoever, Wobbly1933, just more of your demented, error-strewn rambling & sad ranting. You and your pal, Gordon (racist name), may as well be id!ot twins.
“if there was a blood bath” - oy, having a brain is clearly not an essential bot precondition.
“expecting a different result” - That it’s possible for you to learn? Scarcely. As you say “that won’t happen.” You’re as close to ineducable as anything yet seen.
“I’m too dumb to be interested in books.” - Well, you definitively said it, heinrich.
“intelligence is a prerequisite of downloading audiobooks” - Wrong again. Interest in books, knowledge & learning would be indicators of intelligence & curiosity. You demonstrate none of this. Rather, you display only hatred, fearful isolation, desperate unhappiness, racial bigotry, power worship & mindless conformism to brutal despotism. When these traits of yours lead to your repeating mindless con theories, obvious prop lies, in addition to your genocide denial/support, mockery of rape, torture & murder victims, & weaponised racism, then I will slap you down. No point in your whining about it now.
“share your opinions” - It’s factual reality that terrifies you, which is why you transparently & incessantly try to distract from it, with your “Only look at the Jews/Americans” ploy. Obsolete, failed Cold War-era games. But you are entirely ignorant of the factual historical record & politics, so there’s hardly a point in mentioning such things to a “hardened” power worshipper & established ignoramus.
“stature…arrogate” - Oh, stop trying so hard! You have already registered a firm impression of bulletproof ignorance & personal failure. That’s certainly you, tankie. No displacing it now.
Yes, your genocide denial/support & rejection of fundamental human rights are indeed indicative of psychopathy. Also established.
And your unblinking support of Gordon (racist name) is not at all comparable to tenbenson & myself. If you had a functioning level of reading comprehension, you would know that we have often had disagreements. But your species of mindless, servile power worship of despotic, genocidal imperialism is something which all reasonable people can agree is offensive to human dignity & intelligence. Much like yourself, it’s a no-brainer.
“two unstable, mentally copulating epsilons” - Let’s not bring your sordid intimate family history into this.
“When someone dares to differ” - Again, no. The point has always been your singular failure to present anything like a rational argument (your entire post here being a fatuous, vacuous case in point) - your consistent inability to offer factual support or substantiation for any of your loony con theory assertions & mentally-deficient, racially-motivated falsehoods.
“little anecdotes” - What are you blathering on about here? “Endearing?” Do you have a serious head injury, heinrich? Signal for help.
“Look at me! Listen to me!” - Really, what would be the point? Apart from curious “loon spotters” trying to get a look at you?
“That’s how narcissists behave” - Your intimate familiarity with narcissism ought to be acknowledged; after all, you live it (if your basement being can be remotely characterised as “life”).
“NATO/American rhetoric” - Here’s your Grayzone, copy/paste, head-injury, Cold War pitch, in all its undifferentiated dullness.
“imposs for u to summon will/intellectual capacity to reach any conclusion other than which validates ur preconceived opins.” - You’ve merely described your own prop bot, power-worshipping condition here. You repeat the same bumf as all the other online basement bots. Now have the imagination & the balls to fully apply it to yourself. (But you can’t, of course.)
“Orwellian world” - Please don’t pretend to have read or understood any books. It’s unseemly, and lacking in all credibility.
Whether you’re a national socialist, communist, fascist, or whatever else - it’s really the genocidal & brutal nature of these extreme ideologies which you worship. A manifestly failed character & power fantasist - you’re the sort which these ideologies always rely upon for their unthinking, bottom-feeding support - isolated, vulnerable, hateful, vengeful, Jew hating, bigoted, uneducated & entirely unquestioning. You couldn’t even form the question, quite apart from anything else!
“refusing to see insignia on sleeves of those they support.” - Precisely so, the Putin regime’s cultivation of its own homegrown Nazis. All of the neo-nazi Russian militias fighting on behalf of Russia, not just in Ukraine but also in Syria. While some fighters are believed to have joined the ranks of Russian private mercenary companies, an unknown number of fighters joined, & trained under, Rusich, as well as the Russian Imperial Movement & its paramilitary unit, the Russian Imperial Legion.
Milchakov, a former paratrooper, and avowed Nazi, has been identified as the co-leader of Rusich, along with another Russian named Yan Petrovsky.
Both Milchakov and Petrovsky fought against Ukraine as volunteers in the Donbas in 2014 and 2015 and have openly displayed patches awarded to them as part of the “Union of Donbas Volunteers.” At the time, however, Russia repeatedly denied its forces were fighting in the Donbas, asserting, while straining credulity, that the local forces battling Ukrainian troops were merely local partisans.
In Sep 2014, near the Luhansk Oblast village of Shchastya, Rusich militants battled Ukrainians. Ukrainian news reports said dozens of Ukrainian soldiers were killed. Afterward, images of mutilated and burnt bodies circulated online, and Milchakov later openly bragged about photographing the bodies.
The day that Russia launched its invasion, the head of the Russian Imperial Movement, Denis Gariyev, posted a message on his Telegram channel saying: “Without a doubt, we are in favor of the liquidation of the separatist entity Ukraine.” The group has provided paramilitary-style training to white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Europe & actively works to rally these types of groups into a common front against their perceived enemies. The movement has two training facilities in St. Petersburg, which are likely being used for woodland and urban assault, tactical weapons, and hand-to-hand combat training.
A few weeks after Gariyev’s Telegram post, the organisation’s combat training centre near St. Petersburg, called Partizan, announced the recruitment of volunteers to fight in Ukraine.
Gariyev has also created a related organization called Reserve Squad, which, according to German intelligence reports, has received multimillion-dollar orders from the Interior Ministry, the Federal Security Service, & the Federal Protective Service, which is the govt agency charged with providing bodyguard protection to top Kremlin officials.
So, they’re all over that. (And yes indeed, you do see these neo-nazis, as I’ve identified them before - and you certainly support them, and have never condemned them.)
However, you wouldn’t be trying to blame all of the victims of Putin’s brutal, imperialist invasion, would you, Wobbly1933? Yet again?
“Such fascisti as they deny right for alternative views to even exist, let alone have voice. Intolerance reminiscent of 1984.” - Again, this perfectly describes the despotic regimes & genocidal ideologies which you slavishly support & fantasise about. Including the rape, torture, murder & oppression of Ukrainians during the imperialist invasions carried out by Russia. Persecuted minorities such as Crimean Tatars & LGBTQ+ people, who are subject to brutal treatment & intolerance in Russia. Moreover, the widespread human rights violations against those under Russian state control; the denial of legal, political, civil, constitutional, & democratic rights; the denial of free expression & a free press; state-run propaganda. So, that’s “voice” & “intolerance.” To say nothing of Chinese brutal action towards the Uyghur people, Hong Kong, Tibet; their support for the North Korean atrocity, constant threat towards Taiwan, total state control & domination, etc. etc. All of which you hypocritically support.
Yet it’s the west that you fatuously assert denies “the right for alternative views to even exist, let alone have voice” - this is where you see all the “intolerance” - however, the mindless con theories & obvious, hateful prop lies which you tediously repeat are all over the place (quite literally). Could it be that you really are that stupid?
“I’ve read none” - There’s the real Wobbly1933 - always keen to read those “alternative views!” It’s not just about reading, heinrich, you also fail at comprehension, which you tirelessly (endlessly) demonstrate.
“I have neither the time nor inclination” - You must be refurbishing that dank, lonely basement of yours. Busy, busy!
August 19th, 2023
I also acknowledge your total capitulation, Wobbly1933. Your untenable predicament finally filtered through your cretinous carapace!
August 20th, 2023
Imperial invasion & savage oppression :)
I can hardly keep a straight face even behind my screen. There is only one guy or maybe girl that brings me to tears of laughter on this platform.
First thing first the USA; the foreign behavior of the United States reflects neither Woodrow Wilsonlike idealism nor the reasonable responses of a fundamentally isolationist nation to taunts and provocations that may arise overseas. Instead, policy is determined by the narrow interests of the most powerful figures in the domestic capitalist economy. American corporations need markets, raw materials, room to invest and expand; therefore, American foreign policy attempts first and last to establish “Grand Areas,” in which American capital may thrive. They (the US) have opposed “Communists” in Southeast Asia and elsewhere, not because they oppress their people but because they threaten their markets. They have overlooked the predations of the Shah of Iran, President Somoza of Nicaragua, and General Pinochet of Chile not because they have decided those leaders are the best those countries can hope for but because they are good for the richest and most powerful. They have assigned themselves the right to “invade” and “devastate” Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. because of our self-proclaimed and self-justified “doctrine that the United States is entitled to use force and violence to impose order as it sees fit.”
Second Ukraine; while President Biden is calling for President Putin to face a war crimes trial, the United States has long opposed the International Criminal Court, which was created by the Rome Statute. The statue has been ratified by 123 nations, but not the United States, Russia or Ukraine. In 2020, Donald Trump went so far as to sanction senior ICC figures involved in investigating possible U.S. war crimes in Afghanistan. While Biden removed these sanctions, he still refuses to submit to the authority of the International Criminal Court.
The USA is the only country in the world that insists on not ending the war. One option discussed by the UN council is a negotiated settlement which will offer Putin an escape — an ugly settlement. Is it within reach? We don’t know. You can only find out by trying. The US refusing to try. But that’s one option. The other option is to make it explicit and clear to Putin and the small circle of hard men around him that “You have no escape. You’re going to go to a war crimes trial, no matter what you do.” Boris Johnson reiterated this on many occasions. “Sanctions will go on, no matter what you do.” What does that mean? It means “Go ahead and obliterate Ukraine, and go on to lay the basis for a terminal war.” Those are the two options. The US is picking the second — and praising themselves for their heroism in doing it: fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.
In fact and according to many experts Russia is acting with restraint and moderation so far. If we compare Russia’s fighting style to that of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, we will see that the large-scale destruction of infrastructure seen in that conflict didn’t happen in Ukraine.
There is no doubt that Russia could do it, presumably with conventional weapons. Russia could make Kiev as unlivable as Baghdad was, move in to attack supply lines in western Ukraine.
But in fact Russia is fighting in Ukraine in a more humane way than the US in Iraq: I am not only referring to this, it is obvious. UN inspectors had to be withdrawn as soon as the invasion of Iraq began, because the attack was so severe and extreme. This is the American and British style of war. Let’s look at the victims. I only know the official numbers… the official UN numbers are about 8,000 civilian casualties in Ukraine. How many civilian casualties were there when the US and Britain invaded Iraq?
On the other hand the number of foreign dignitaries traveling to Kiev since the outbreak of the war proves Russia’s restraint, which is in stark contrast to Iraq.
When the USA and Britain smashed Baghdad to pieces, did any foreign leader go to Baghdad? No, because when the USA and Great Britain start a war, they go to the bathroom. They destroy everything: communication, transport, energy - everything that makes society work.
So, I need someone to make me laugh, a guy/girl who can outsmart all of us. A narcissist who wants to have the last word and who will never rise to the top in his/her social milieu.
August 20th, 2023
The lowest of the Loewe. Yet more clownish, failed comprehension, prop lies, con theories & brute power worship. Russia, with its imperial invasion, torture chambers, rape & mass murder, in a country where it has a history of intentionally starving millions, “is acting with restraint and moderation and is being humane.” You couldn’t make it up - but you just did. And after all, why not try the transparent ploy of “WhatAboutAmerica?!” Because people will never see through that obvious ruse. Finally read, and try to understand.
August 21st, 2023
@Loewe
“n fact and according to many experts Russia is acting with restraint and moderation so far.”
Print them. Here. Now.
Bring me your “experts”
Just like Trump… “many people are saying”
Neither of you ever studied.
August 21st, 2023
His “experts” are likely just other demented, basement prop bots & loony, lonely con theorists, like himself. When they encounter each other on their racist Hate Sites, where they gather to worship & drool over “strong” men like Putin, they refer to each other as experts. Experts on tear-filled onanism sessions, in truth.
August 21st, 2023
Well said Loewe.Not everyone on here is bereft of sense.
The Narcissist is back. Again. And again. And again. As every single member of History Audiobook could have predicted. And he’s brought his equally deluded friend with him.
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty propagandized narcissistic puppy from day to day. Returning entranced to the smell of its own ordüre
With no notion of how ridiculous he looks, The Narcissist is pathologically incapable of feeling embarrassment, He has his reputation and the adoration of his myrmidons to consider. And is waging an heroic war against those who dare to criticize his darling America and its death-dealing war machine.
His favourite howl is ‘What are you doing on my book site?’ Rather like the troll in the old song ‘Three Billy Goats Gruff’. ‘Cept for the bridge, the analogy holds, for he is without doubt a troll.
Against him there’s no debate. Indeed, without searching far for another analogy I’d say this must be what it’s like to lobby a lobotomized leprechaun.
Nothing can dent his certitude. Truth is inconvenient. He ignores it.
Washington continues to spread its militarily-enforced hegemony throughout the world, an economic and ideological vampire spider, driven by the need to entrap more and more countries within the web of its fiat currency. For it is, literally, printing millions of dollars per second, using the money to devastate lands as though it were a giant Rome plough uprooting trees in the Amazon rainforest.
While millions of its own people live in abject poverty, many of them under bridges, and medical treatment holds a very real threat of bankruptcy, Washington has in excess (for nobody knows for sure how many) of 800 – maybe 900 - military bases in almost every country known to man, save a handful it’s working against right now, having killed and killing still, millions more human beings in the process.
And yet, and yet, according to The Narcissist and his myrmidons, the enemy of the world is neither NATO nor the USA nor the risibly entitled National Endowment for ‘Democracy’, but Russia, with only an estimated 21 foreign bases. And China, with One.
The latter two are the real enemies of the world, accordin’ to The Narcissist. For he travels no further for his information than an entirely servile media. They tell him what to think. He trusts them implicitly.
In the face of this unquestioning certitude, uncontestable facts such as American involvement in the 2014 Maidan coup¬ ¬– which saw the overthrow of a Russian-inclined democratically elected government by a heavily armed right wing group allied to America – are of no account. Even though many civilians were shot, and forty burned alive in the course of it.
Such deeds are of no account because they were instigated and approved by Americans, notably but not only Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt. Tapes exist. Proving it. Everyone knows how decent and compassionate Nuland is.
Half a million have died so far in Ukraine, in a war provoked by American intervention and steadily fueled by incessant injections of weaponry from countries which are threatened with dire consequences if they do not comply. This is why Imran Khan lies in a Pakistan jail, on fabricated charges, in fear for his life. Imran would not comply.
August 21st, 2023
Half a million is also the number of Iraqi children killed by American sanctions leading up to the Iraq war. A figure the vicious Secretary Of State Madeleine Albright said was ‘worth it’.
Prisoners in Guantanamo Bay have been tortured unto brain damage, and children in Vietnam are still being killed by cluster munitions sixty years later, their home country having received no help in recovering from the disaster visited upon them by the forces of ‘freedom’. There are slave markets in Libya, and Islamic extremist sects are being funded in Syria to help overthrow Assad. Meanwhile Syria’s oil and wheat fields are being occupied by the US, denying Syrian citizens food, and access to their own resources. ‘We’re keeping the oil’, said Trump. The US is still there. And that’s perfectly fine with its supporters.
But why The Narcissist’s slavish adoration of such a genocidal behemoth? When pressed even he admits (with uncharacteristic reserve), it has certain ‘moral stain(s)’ on its reputation.
August 21st, 2023
@Webby1948
Can you get an editor please?
No way I’m reading all that rubbish.
Here’s an idea for you - the fact that I blame Russia entirely for invading Ukraine doesn’t mean I support US foreign policy around the world.
MINDBLOWING! Imagine that! Having more than one thought at the same time!
Don’t bother to respond, I don’t read the websites you copy from because they’re bullshït.
August 21st, 2023
@Webby1948
I said “can you get an editor”, but you could instead just fück off and get a real job.
August 21st, 2023
This is The Narcissist,posting as if they were his own, and making no attribution of his source, these words cut’n'pasted from the website RadioFree Europe:
‘The day that Russia launched its invasion, the head of the Russian Imperial Movement, Denis Gariyev, posted a message on his Telegram channel saying: “Without a doubt, we are in favor of the liquidation of the separatist entity Ukraine.”
How often has this narcissist accused others of cut’n'paste?
And how unquestioningly he accepts what he reads as gospel when it’s from a site renowned for anti-Russian propaganda.
But still The Narcissist ploughs on. Cuttin n’ pastin’ and lyin and cheatin. Pretending words are his own when he’s just plagiarising.
Who can take this person seriously?
Not you, tenbenson. Anybody else?
August 21st, 2023
Leave out the umlaut’s tenbenson. You’ve found a nice little trick, now don’t play it to death.
Endearing, to see you embracing doublethink.
All along I thought you incapable of single think.
August 21st, 2023
…the standard racism of a subliterate basement nazi there, with Wobbly1933’s loony ramblings, copy/paste prop & con theories. And his ongoing, slavish support of all of Putin’s neo-nazi thugs. In this bigoted id!ocy, he is joined by his only friends & fellow travellers, Gordon (racist name) & blithering bot “expert,” Loewe.
Of course, Putin’s invasion of sovereign Ukraine was…all American! Who saw that mindless garbage coming? The Holodomor and all the other Russian & Chinese genocides, concentration camps, repression & invasions must’ve been American as well, in your unusually narrow, empty head.
Putin’s “truth” indeed - inadvertent hilarity ensues. Just imagine believing such obvious propaganda. And the standard “WhatAboutAmerica?!” ploy on a book that is clearly about the courageous opposition to Putin’s brutal imperial invasion of a sovereign country. Which you can only stupidly power worship as the innocent bodies mount up. The Russian, Chinese, North Korean & Syrian regimes are enemies & threats to their own populations, and their neighbours. Something you’re demonstrably too stupid to comprehend, even with all the invasions & occupations.
It’s not merely an issue of why would such a racist fool as yourself be on this book site, rather it’s why would so ineducable a character be on any book site, hilariously commenting on subjects of which you’re so demonstrably ignorant? You’re entirely immune to all knowledge, and stupid enough to want to perform this. You don’t have even elementary historical or political acumen or awareness. (Examples of your unfeasible ignorance: Ukrainians are attacking & bombing themselves; Putin is not corrupt; all Irish people support the IRA; your genocide denial/support; mockery of victims of rape, torture & murder; denial of fundamental human rights; Libya was a paradise under Gaddafi; Putin’s neighbours have nothing whatsoever to fear from his imperial aggression; con theories are certainly true; Assad is a hero; there is no free expression in all the various western countries - but there is under Putin’s democratic regime, so only Kremlin-controlled media & those who follow that obvious prop line should be believed; and on and on. Is there no beginning to your knowledge, heinrich?)
August 21st, 2023
@Webby1948
You haven’t mentioned or addressed a single one of any of the points I’ve raised in any of my posts.
I get it now: you’re AI.
August 21st, 2023
On your established pattern of mindless, racist id!ocy, Wobbly1933, you must also believe that Ukraine intentionally starved Russia; Kenya & South Africa operated concentration camps in Britain; Irish people murdered themselves on Bloody Sunday (the victims being nothing more than “leprechauns” after all - I shudder to think the names you have for Jewish people & black people); that Ireland imperially occupied Britain for 800 yrs; Poland invaded & occupied both Germany & Russia in 1939; the Holocaust did not happen; and that rape victims are all “asking for it,” as you would say. This would certainly be entirely consistent with your standard victim-blaming “reasoning” above & throughout. Your inescapable “logic” again.
August 21st, 2023
How can this person, this self-deceiving narcissist, accuse anybody of copy’n'paste?
I’ve caught him out twice, citing the exact sites from which he’s plagiarised. Yet he’s so bewilderingly out of it he accuses others of doing just what he does himself.
Painful stuff. Heard of the Myrotvorets death list, Narcissist? Anybody who dares suggest not all is as the Kiev government claims, is put on that list and likely to be killed.
Compare that with your cut’n'pasted comment from Radiofree Europe, mentioned just moments ago.
Does it all the time. Zelensky has imprisoned those who do not support his all or nothing demands, yet it’s Putin who has no restraint according to the Narcissist. Zelensky was elected to make peace and now he’s had to cancel elections in case his people kick him out.
Narcissist reckons Assad’s the aggressor, yet Syria’s been under attack by Washington since the fifties. Read Stephen Gowan’s Washington’s Long War on Syria, Narcissist. Try and let some air in.
August 21st, 2023
And tenbenson. Say just one thing worth answering and I will. But you really must try to maintain an open mind.It’s tedious arguing with anybody who has nothing to say and keeps saying it.
August 21st, 2023
“It’s tedious arguing with anybody who has nothing to say and keeps saying it” - Inadvertent self-description there, Wobbly1933. Or as you also said of yourself, “I’m too dumb to be interested in books.” Bingo.
Deploying evidence of your nazis cannot be compared to your mindless copy & paste efforts that you repeat without any understanding (but is there any point in explaining?).
No one is a universal observer, you racist halfwit.
The issue is that you support, worship & agree with these nazis when they say such things on Telegram & elsewhere. And this is the issue that you seek to distract from.
Putin operates a corrupt, despotic regime which is guilty of countless murders & human rights violations - in addition to imperialist invasions & aggression, mass torture, rape & murder. But now it’s - “No, look at the people they invaded, they’re the real aggressors, while Putin is the innocent victim! And Assad’s also an blameless humanitarian! Also, under Gaddafi, Libya was a paradise! Moreover, Mussolini guaranteed train schedules! The Irish did it! The Jeeewz! are in my cornflakes! Again!”
Yes, do go on - and on, tankie heinrich…
August 21st, 2023
When are you finally going to get out out of that swastika-strewn basement, Wobbly1933? To touch grass, as it were, instead of touching your diminutive fascist member all the time? While viewing all of Putin’s murder victims? (You sick phck.)
tenbenson told you to finally get a job, but I think that’s impractical. Far too ambitious. Nearly all jobs require literacy, numeracy, and a functioning brain. Elementary prerequisites, one might observe.
Looks like it’s back to your isolated, tragic, basement onanism & full-time genocide denial/support. Go with what you, er, know…
August 21st, 2023
Actually it is so widely acknowledged by now even The New York Times among many other outlets have written about it. Openly, some military analysts and Western officials are asking why the onslaught has not been even worse. Russia could be going after Ukrainian railways, roads and bridges more aggressively to try to stanch the flow of Western weapons to the front line. It could have bombed more of the infrastructure around the capital, Kyiv, to make it harder for Western leaders to visit President Volodymyr Zelensky in shows of unity and resolve. And it could be doing far more to inflict pain on the West, whether by cyberattack, sabotage or more cutoffs of energy exports to Europe.
So, remember Vietnam? Good comparison, eh?
August 21st, 2023
So, I need someone to make me laugh, a guy/girl who can easily outsmart all of us. A narcissist who wants to have the last word and who will never rise to the top in his/her social milieu.
August 21st, 2023
…more Loewe IQ absurdities & obvious falsehoods. As tenbenson instructed you, present the names of your “experts,” as in “according to many experts.” You could not. You reveal yourself as a fatuous liar. You bluffed, your bluff was called, & you were exposed again as devoid of all substance & knowledge. A brilliant self-refutation, you windy oaf.
Your palls, Gordon (racist name), Wobbly1933, & yourself are ineducable con theorist loons & imperial power worshippers.
Dismissed. Back to your racist hate & prop sites.
August 21st, 2023
I need someone to make me laugh, a guy/girl who can easily outsmart all of us. A narcissist who wants to have the last word and who will never rise to the top in his/her social milieu.
August 22nd, 2023
Well that was fulfilling wasn’t it.
Everyone who read or wrote anything above is now stupider.
What can we take away from this? Russian prop bots even hang around obscure audiobook sites. Must be some good ruble in it. Go and buy some flowers for your dvotchka from one of the many 24 hour flower shops in Moscow (why are there so many? Is it because Russian men are often such fückups?) before you explain to her yet again why you’re not man enough to get a real job.
August 22nd, 2023
If you need a guy to “make you laugh,” then why not use the dating app on your favourite racist Hate Site? Find a dude with a similarly Loewe IQ - although that might be tough! Unfortunately, book sites clearly aren’t for you.
August 22nd, 2023
девочка…
Oh well. It’s not like there’s anyone on this site worth impressing.
August 22nd, 2023
I see no more sense has come from the two current clowns. tenbenson not actually saying anything and The Narcissist in hyperbolic overdrive scything anything that moves.
And sidestepping the issue of his own plagiarism from RadioFree Europe by accusing me of copy’n'paste.
Like all narcissists, he cannot be embarrassed.Even by incontrovertible evidence. Anybody else would hang their head in shame, but not The Narcissist.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM5), any argument with a narcissist soon devolves into an escalating round of insults as the narcissist attempts to deflect from the subject and bully his opponent into acknowledging the primacy of his position. A simple exchange of viewpoints and facts the narcissist finds intolerable, once he apprehends that his opponent is unwilling to concede ground to beliefs with no intellectual rigour; and from that moment on he interprets any gainsaying of his declarations as challenges to his social and intellectual status.
It becomes a matter of great consequence, and he will deflect : ‘When are you finally going to get out out of that swastika-strewn basement, Wobbly1933?’
twist any comment: ‘inadvertent self-description there, Wobbly1933′.
utilize any lie: ‘The issue is that you support, worship & agree with these nazis when they say such things on Telegram & elsewhere’.
And engage in ever more outrageous accusations without scruple:’rape victims are all “asking for it,” as you would say.’
It can be hugely entertaining, once you understand where any contradiction of a narcissist may lead.But be prepared.
Understandable though it may be, to be tempted into matching insults, one should be aware that this is exactly what the narcissist is aiming for. The best way to counter such behaviour is to make it clear to any who may be witnessing the exchange, that a narcissist is not be taken seriously at any level.
August 22nd, 2023
“incontrovertible evidence?” - Is that what you offer in support of your brainless assertions such as, Ukrainians are attacking & bombing themselves; that Putin is not corrupt; all Irish people support the IRA; your genocide denial/support; Libya was a paradise under Gaddafi; Putin’s neighbours have nothing whatsoever to fear from his imperial aggression; obvious con theories are certainly true; Assad is a defender of human rights; that there is no free expression in all the various western countries - but there is under Putin’s democratic regime, so only Kremlin-controlled media & those who follow that obvious prop line should be believed; etc. etc.
“incontrovertible evidence” indeed.
You’re clearly having your regular problems with language, definitions & factual truth again.
And “shame?” - You’re an avowed genocide denier/supporter; a rabid racist who mocks victims of mass rape, torture & murder. Time to drop the word “shame” from your vanishingly limited vocabulary, heinrich.
On your incessant copy/paste efforts & plagiarism, as observed, deploying evidence of the nazis you slavishly support cannot be compared to your mindless copy/paste exercises which you repeat without any understanding. As said, no one can be a universal observer.
Your racism & genocide denial/support are the issues that you seek to distract from. Seek & fail, as you fail at all else.
An isolated loon like yourself would be all over the DSM5. Your next step is seek urgent treatment from your local NHS provider. Caution: this might mean finally leaving the swastika-strewn basement, tankie.
And you’ve just unintentionally diagnosed yourself with narcissism, to add to your myriad mad maladies: “any argument with a narcissist soon devolves into an escalating round of insults (your anti-Irish racism, etc.) as the narcissist attempts to deflect from the subject (”WhatAboutAmerica?!”) & bully his opponent into acknowledging the primacy of his position (Putin strong like bull! Jews bad!). A simple exchange of viewpoints & facts the narcissist finds intolerable (your constant con theories), once he apprehends that his opponent is unwilling to concede ground to beliefs with no intellectual rigour (all of your copy/paste prop lies); & from that moment on he interprets any gainsaying of his declarations as challenges to his social & intellectual status (well, you don’t have any social or intellectual status, tragically enough).”
Thanks for another of your inadvertent self-reveals, Wobbly1933! I’ll add narcissist to your ever-increasing list of disorders.
And the issue certainly is that you support, worship & agree with Putin’s nazis - on Telegram & elsewhere, because you have always deflected from them, and have never once criticised them, in spite of the fact that I’ve given you multiple opportunities. That is now established.
Concerning rape victims, you have mocked all Ukrainian victims of rape, torture & murder - and have never once condemned these actions. You regard the mention of these atrocities as “entertaining,” as you say. This too is established.
“Understandable…to be tempted into matching insults, one should be aware that this is exactly what the narcissist is aiming for” - So, that’s how you troll, by provoking people with your racist insults? Like your buddies, Gordon (racist name) & Loewe? I see.
“best way to counter such behaviour is to make it clear to any who may be witnessing exchange, that a narcissist is not be taken seriously at any level” - Given that you’re an ignorant racist genocide denier/supporter, who rejects human rights & mocks rape victims, taking you seriously was never an option, Wobbly1933.
August 22nd, 2023
The best way to counter such behaviour is to make it clear to any who may be witnessing the exchange, that a narcissist is not be taken seriously at any level…Well said Webby1948!
August 22nd, 2023
There you go, although I am sure that you are not interested in facts or reason, G*d forbid
Tow of the best sources, The New York Times and Noam Chomsky. Now more and more experts are taking this stance.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-nato.html
https://www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-interview/2023/04/noam-chomsky-interview-ukraine-free-actor-united-states-determines
August 22nd, 2023
We need someone to make us laugh, a guy/girl who can easily outsmart all of us. A narcissist who wants to have the last word and who will never rise to the top in his/her social milieu.
August 22nd, 2023
Nobody is taking any of you - Loewe IQ, Wobbly1933, or Gordon (racist name) - remotely seriously. Put your racist, power-worshipping “minds” at rest!
August 22nd, 2023
So…Noam Chomsky?! Seriously, that’s your “list” of multiple experts? A linguist? So, you imagine that, like yourself, Chomsky is uncritically, slavishly supporting the Putin regime? And the NYT is also?
And this constitutes “facts & reason” for you?
Moreover, it’s taken you days to come up with just Chomsky’s name. You had nothing at all on the first day.
You’re truly well named, Loewe IQ…
August 23rd, 2023
Exclamation marks, adverbs galore. The Narcissist can’t curb his purpleness, can he?
Big, brave, tough words from the
angry, raging Hamster of Doom. The vitriolic avenger whose username is perfectly consistent with his Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
This person who is compelled by his mental health condition to be objectionable, impervious to reason, and desperately attached to his opinions despite all evidence to the contrary.
He will not, cannot, resile from the position he has chosen, and hurls invective upon any who do not accept his point of view. In him, Intolerance has found a home, and is extending on all quarters without planning permission from his brain.
He will adopt any strategy in furtherance of his self-perceived intellectual hegemony. He will lie, abuse, invent, and accuse. And even when he is presented with incontrovertible evidence of his deception, he will ignore it, claim it has no importance, or arrogate to himself the right to do what he pleases, for the end justifies the means.
And the meaner, the better.
The Narcissist posted the other day, in one of his
spluttering diatribes, this paragraph:
‘The day that Russia launched its invasion, the head of the Russian Imperial Movement, Denis Gariyev, posted a message on his Telegram channel saying: “Without a doubt, we are in favor of the liquidation of the separatist entity Ukraine.”
Similar in content to The Narcissist’s ideological tenor, there was yet something about it that seemed contrived.
So I put the paragraph into a search engine. And discovered the same sentence on many sites, including one called RadioFreeEurope.
Whether the content of the quote is true, I do not know. I have only a few things to say about it. It is published in an article on those sites that are diametrically opposed to the Russian perspective. There are likely as many sites offering a different view, but as The Narcissist often declaims, they are ‘hate sites’.
The site mentioned offers a view The Narcissist finds acceptable, therefore it is not a ‘hate site’.
What defines a ‘hate site’ is its propagation of a view The Narcissist does not support. That’s it, pure and simple.
Now another person might find the quote hateful propaganda, but The Narcissist accepts it without question. And in an act of dishonesty which can only be excused in light of his personality disorder, posts it verbatim as if it were his own work.
Pure unadulterated dishonesty. Which might have been modified by a simple attribution.
I’ve never done that, nor any of the vile things The Narcissist chooses to accuse me of – anti-Semitism, Nazism, sneering at the slaughter of children – in fact, I’ve condemned such atrocities all along.
But they’re grist to the mill for The Narcissist. He’s willing to dismiss as ‘moral stains’ appalling deeds and abuses committed by the US and client states, but only too willing to accept any allegation made against countries disfavoured by those he supports.
What can be inferred from the actions of a person who is demonstrably deceptive, verbally vicious, and prejudicial?
That what he says cannot be taken at face value. That one minute he will invoke the deity (‘God bless you’ [for uploading this]) and in the next, utter every manner of insult and lies, carefully designed to thwart the profanity filters.
Staring about him, vulnerable, slack-jawed and stunned, his opinions formed by a servile, rabid anti Russian and Sinophobic press and TV, The Narcissist seeks his views only amidst the general consensus.
He would wish to portray himself as a fearless enemy of the forces of darkness, contending with those who are spreading propaganda against the proponents of Truth, Justice, and The American Way.
But now the US has upped the stakes and promised coke-fiend Zelensky F 16 jets, consensus will no longer be a safe place from which to snipe at those who remind them it could have ended last year, if not for the neocons in Washington and London.
Senator Lyndsey Graham has called for Putin’s assassination, and a video released by Ukraine appears to claim he said ‘Dead Russians..best money we ever spent.’
The latter was doctored by the Ukrainians themselves.To show how gung ho the USA is. If Zelensky will manipulate the words of his own supporters, it says a lot about the truth of the propaganda coming from Kiev.
August 23rd, 2023
Chomsky is a linguist, yet also widely known for his political and philosophical positions.
There tow kind of people in this world that don’t like him, imperialists und oppressors.
August 24th, 2023
I know you put enormous, profitless effort into your mindless screeds, Wobbly1933, hitting the thesaurus like an insecure, failed, education-avoidant bot, but your grammarian pretensions continue to fall embarrassingly flat. Elementary reading comprehension also eludes you, as when you repeatedly refer to lectures as “books;” and when you imagine that material specifically concerning Russian history actually relates solely to America (look away!). The title of the lectures even functioned as a slight giveaway (for literate people, in any case): TGC - Understanding Russia: A Cultural History - Lynne Ann Hartnett. Oy.
Case in point: this book concerns courageous Ukrainian people defending their homes & families from imperialist invasion - so you seek to clumsily distract from this, and even to slavishly support the imperialist invader. Ukrainians know their history - their history of forced starvation - millions murdered; you don’t even know your own history, as your racist attacks on Irish people demonstrate. It’s essentially the same imperialist strategy, dehumanise people as other, in order to “liquidate” them & take their land. Every atrocity supported by characters like you - with victim-blaming aplenty for those who dare stand against your beloved “strong” man. It’s all been done before, heinrich, although you wouldn’t know it.
“whose username” - You’ve clearly never seen Planet of the Apes. And you’ve already diagnosed your “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” - so that’s established.
While you readily identified your own internet narcissism, in a self-hating move you’re also trying to stigmatise those like yourself with manifest mental health issues. Add that to your racism, genocide denial/support & mockery of rape victims, I suppose.
“all evidence” - Your copy/paste prop bot bumf & obvious con theories? Not actual evidence, heinrich.
“He will not, cannot, resile fr position he chosen, hurls invective upon who not accept point of view. In him, Intolerance has found home” - You’re just encapsulating your own limited condition here, Wobbly1933. Once identified, you should now seek to alter your comprehensively failed approach. The position I “chose” is condemnation of Putin’s illegal invasions of sovereign Ukraine, human rights violations, centres of torture, destruction of liberal democracy & the rule of law. Why would any person resile from reason? Granted, you don’t share any of my views. Thankfully, you got that right, heinrich.
“Intolerance” - Your expedient deployment of this word constitutes gross misuse. Your grotesque intolerance is conveyed in your rabid racism; genocide denial/support; your slavish worship of brute power, imperialism, despotic regimes, human rights abuses; your mockery of victims of torture, rape & murder. Best that you seek to understand words such as intolerance, before you clumsily drop them.
“planning permission from his brain” - Your brain is empowered to grant planning permission, is it? Have you had another serious head injury? You’re such a plank, tankie. Does your pancreas also issue writs? Your busy digestive system certainly excretes all of your faecal opinions. Where you “lie, abuse, invent, & accuse.”
“incontrovertible evidence” - What would that be, now? You must remind me. Was it in support of your genocide denial? Your racist assertions? Your rant on how Ukrainians were actually attacking themselves? That Putin is not corrupt? That the west has no free expression, because it only exists in Putin’s Russia? Or that Libya, under Gaddafi, was “a paradise?” One or all of these “facts” of yours, Wobbly1933?
‘The day that Russia launched its invasion, the head of the Russian Imperial Movement, Denis Gariyev, posted on his Telegram channel: “Without a doubt, we are in favor of the liquidation of the separatist entity Ukraine.” - Precisely. This was the neo-nazi’s expressed view. And you support him, as you slavishly support all of Putin’s imperialist nazis. The fact that you hate reporters not approved by the Kremlin is irrelevant. But that’s your narcissism showing again.
If you “think” it’s “contrived” (what?!) - then take it up with the nazi author of the Telegram message itself. He also provides training for white supremacists, so he’s definitely one of your excitingly “powerful” men.
(Hang on, do you even know what “contrived” means? No shame if you don’t, now. It’s not as if it’s the first “hard” word you’ve encountered.)
“Whether content of the quote is true, I do not know” - Of course you don’t, tankie. “Truth” only comes from the Kremlin, & its creature, Grayzone, doesn’t it? But there are horrible people out there who refuse to bravely repeat that, unlike you. How dare they? Your “alternative” view (yeah, mockery of rape/torture/murder victims & genocide denial/support. What an alternative “you” give us).
“sites diametrically opposed to Russian perspective” - That of Putin’s brutal imperialist invasion of a sovereign neighbour; human rights abuses; ethnic cleansing; abduction of children; extensive rape, torture & murder of victims; massive corruption; using Syrians as target practice; opposition to liberal democracy & the rule of law; institutionalised homophobia? Why would anyone oppose, or even criticise, any of that? Particularly given as you are so servile in your unqualified support of all of it? And you’ve copied & pasted from Grayzone, so you certainly know what you’re talking about. You’re a wise racist indeed.
“What defines a ‘hate site’ is its propagation of a view The Narcissist does not support. That’s it, pure and simple” - Well, you do support your hate & prop sites, quite clearly, being a narcissist. However, none should discriminate against you for that particular disability, but they ought to revile you for your hatred & racism. As to the characteristics of your hate sites, they are the toxic sources from which you mindlessly copy/paste. They fuel & drive your hateful genocide denial/support; your ignorant racism; your mockery of victims of rape, torture & murder; your imperial power worship; your slavish support for brutal invasions & human rights abuses; your obvious con theories; groundless, vacuous bot prop; your support for Putin’s neo-nazi followers & attacks on liberal democracy; etc. etc.
In all of this, myriad uneducated, isolated, easily exploited, bitterly hateful online prop bots like yourself narrowly & rigidly replicate & reproduce the Kremlin line, and fail to deviate from it by one iota. (Bluntly, it’s as close to “reproduction” as you’re likely to get.) Putin is “truth” for you - because “WhatAboutAmerica?!” (A characterictically absurd equation.) This transparent attempt at diversion is designed to dissemble a multitude of abuses & horrors. No doubt you fail to discern the manifest pattern. This is due to your blind, hysterically subliterate hatred. Blaming others for all of your failures here is utterly fruitless. Your hysterical hatred could of course be the result of sexual frustration, inadequacy, or some such motivation.
As an aside, it’s notable that due to your simple “copyist” nature, you also immediately reproduce words, locutions & phrases that others use. This is a trait of those who lack imagination & education. It’s a basic form of mirroring - replicating the last thing you have seen or heard. But do carry on, for the laugh.
“find the quote hateful propaganda” - The quote from the neo-nazi, Denis Gariyev, is indeed hateful, as it expressly invokes & incites “liquidation,” & implies genocide. Consequently, it typically constitutes hate speech, but this depends on the relevant jurisdiction. This should not also have to be explained - however, it is you.
“posts it verbatim as if it were his own work” - Are you mentally disabled, or something? This is not your copy/paste reflex, (of other people’s bizarre con theories) it’s coverage of an event in another country - in a different language. (That’s not obvious?!) I don’t speak Russian, Wobbly1933 - & you can barely manage English. You do speak fluent prop bot, though.
“own work” - You can’t possibly be this stupid? As I explained to you, no one can be a universal observer. (Oy, what’s the point, eh?)
An example: if I quote Biden or Putin, do you really think that is my “own work?” This would be obvious to a child, Wobbly1933, but not to you. Your confused anger & hysterical hatred may have been resolved, had you ever read a book, or been reasonably attentive during your few years of formal, elementary education (prior to dropping out; you manifestly began failing very early, due to all your lacunae & bitterness). C’est la vie, as the man says…
“Pure unadulterated dishonesty” - Your guiding “principle.”
“modified by a simple attribution” - Well, the Grayzone & other Kremlin-sourced hate sites can normally be assumed in your mindlessly repetitive rants.
“I’ve never done that” - A too-obvious falsehood.
“to accuse me of – anti-Semitism, Nazism, sneering at the slaughter of children – in fact, I’ve condemned such atrocities all along.” - Staggeringly dishonest here, heinrich. You single out the “evil” Jews & Americans in order to distract from the genocidal regimes & despotisms which you slavishly worship & support; you fully support Putin’s invasion forces, mass murder & terror - which includes the extensive atrocities of Russian neo-nazis - in Ukraine, Syria & elsewhere; & when I condemned the torture, rape & murder of Ukrainians, which includes children, you mocked & spat upon these victims, saying that I was implying that they were “perfect.”
That’s who you are. And far more besides.
You have never condemned these vile human rights abuses, indeed you regularly deny/support genocide.
In strict accordance with the Kremlin line, you can only blame & condemn the victim population - essentially for being invaded. You have never once attributed culpability to the invader regime. None of the appalling, hateful lies you have uttered can ever be unsaid. If you had a conscience you would realise all of this, & not have to be so instructed. However, you’re a narcissist in truth - little wonder the label is so prominent in your rants. P’haps a vestigial, stunted self-awareness in distorted operation?
“dismiss as ‘moral stains’ appalling deeds & abuses committed by the US & client states” - More stupid selectivity. You won’t know this either, but all human rights abuses are moral stains. That is what I have consistently affirmed. They indelibly mark the wrongdoer. Whereas, you unthinkingly support the human rights violations of despotic regimes & genocidal ideologies for which you unquestioningly shill; & seek to distract from them by pointing at Jews & Americans.
That is the vital difference - & one which you also fail to understand. Putin/CCP always good, Jews/Americans always bad. Everything you copy/paste/say can be epitomised in that simple formula. But you can’t hope to comprehend someone who condemns all human rights violations - without having to ask who the culprit is - that just does not compute for a mindless bot like yourself.
This means that you actually favour genocide & abuses of human rights as acceptable strategies; you merely deny those of your “side” & hypocritically condemn the other.
You can never refute this, which is why you can only transparently try to distract from it.
So you are indeed demonstrably “only too willing to accept any allegation made against countries disfavoured by those (you) support.” Precisely so.
You’ve made it clear that you care nothing at all for human rights (”Human rights blah blah!”)
“What be inferred from actions of person who demonstrably deceptive, verbally vicious, & prejudicial?” - P’haps that you have never read a book; have no real formal education; that you’re extremely isolated, vulnerable, bitterly hateful & clearly racist? For openers, at any rate.
“he will invoke deity (‘God bless you’)” - Crikey, you have been following me after all! Creepy stalker alert. Have a look at yourself, heinrich, you need more than a bit of help, boy.
“utter every manner of insult & lies, carefully designed to thwart profanity filters” - Such as your repulsive mockery of the victims of rape, torture & murder - including child victims? Your genocide denial/support? Your rabid racism? And you are always complaining that “they” are blocking you on the site, remember? And you lot are usually referring to the Jews (”They!”), when you whine about your myriad failures in life.
“vulnerable” - You’re mirroring again!
“rabid” - And again.
“anti Russian & Sinophobic press” - Only a blind, mindless worshipper of despotic regimes & genocidal ideologies would hypocritically & illogically regard condemnation of their massive human rights violations as instead representing prejudice against their people. Particularly given that, as I have explained (to no avail) - the primary victims of such regimes are always their own populations. Consequently, your servile support for such regimes, which create repressive slave states, clearly indicates you have no concern whatsoever for the peoples of Russia or China (your “Human rights blah blah!”). This makes you pro-regime & pro-ideology, & therefore anti-Russian & Sinophobic. A failed, Cold Warrior fantasist.
There exists a moral imperative - which you don’t understand - to seek one’s information & facts amongst the victims & victim populations of such despotic regimes & genocidal ideolgies; such as the Uyghur people, victims of genocide; the colonised Tibetans; the oppressed people of Hong Kong; the countless victims amongst the Chinese population, generally; Ukrainians, victims of mass rape, torture & murder; the victim population of Syria; the people of Russia who desperately want & deserve democracy, fundamental human rights, & the rule of law; the victims within the LGBTQ community, who are viciously oppressed by, inter alia, the “Gay Propaganda” law; victims of racial prejudice such as Crimean Tatars; Africans; peoples of the Caucasus; people of Central Asia; etc etc. Although you copy/paste that these repressive & corrupt regimes are always right, of course. Anyway, & always more importantly, “What About The Americans & Jews?!”
And the leader of Wagner mercenray group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, appears to have met with an unfortunate, uh, “accident,” (yeah, we’ll go with accident, because that’s what your Kremlin sources will instruct you prop bots to repeat; or else, “the Ukrainians/Americans/Jews did it again” - for some reason - I’m sure you’ll copy/paste some “plausible reasons”) - mere months after he turned against Putin due to the catastrophic, ongoing disaster following his despotic decision to invade Ukraine again.
This “accident” is in accord with how Putin deals with democratic opposition, dissenting journalists, & assorted critics of brutal tyranny - bombs, poisons, plane crashes, accidents, etc. etc.
As your Stalin admiringly said of Hitler’s murderous actions over the course of the Night of the Long Knives, “That’s how it’s done!” (I seem to be condemning all of your heroes there, in one fell swoop.) “No people, no problem,” as Vlad’s guiding philosophy would have it.
“Pour encourager les autres,” eh? (Never mind, heinrich.) I’d say it’s tough when that’s your gang, & you have to slavishly, mindlessly support everything they do, no matter what; tying yourself in basement knots ’round the bloody clock.
“portray himself as a fearless enemy of the forces of darkness” - Heinrich, I’m just an ordinary man. I’ve seen violations of fundamental human rights & had firsthand reports, and I detest such actions & their perpetrators. It’s you who chooses to tirelessly shill for these despotic, human rights-abusing regimes, genocidal ideologies & brutal imperialist invasions. You “think” that most human rights abuses are to be supported, because you worship the “strong” man theory of political rule. Consequently, I think you’re a barbarian who supports genocide, & a hateful racist.
“coke-fiend Zelensky” - Oy. Of course.
“it could have ended last year, if not for the neocons in Washington & London” - Wobbly1933, read this slowly & carefully: the war would never have started, had Putin not invaded a sovereign, neighbouring country.
It just can’t be so difficult for you to comprehend such a concept? Once again, why would a character like yourself ever be attracted to a book site?
“Putin’s assassination” - Again, first & foremost, Putin & his regime are committing genocide in a sovereign, neighbouring country. Just try to focus.
“doctored by Ukrainians…Zelensky will manipulate words…it says a lot about truth of propaganda coming from Kiev” - Once more, you’re brainlessly imputing all blame to the victim population of a brutal imperialist invasion. Victim blaming is all the prop bots have. You mindlessly & unquestioningly copy/paste Kremlin propaganda - all day long. You’re unable to rationally critique your own prop sources; you can only repeat them.
Your “strong man” worship - that brutally obsequious approach to the world belongs to another age. Please start to read actual books, rather than vacuous internet prop.
August 24th, 2023
@Loewe - Very poor effort at distraction there.
Chomsky is indeed widely known, so you ought to be more conversant with what he has said, if you want to invoke him as one of your “names.” (Your only name, thus far.)
The point you’re transparently evading is that you promised an ever-increasing list of multiple experts in the specific, pertinent field. Then you panicked & threw a linguist into the hat. Someone of whom you had heard. You still can’t imagine that, like yourself, Chomsky is uncritically, slavishly supporting the Putin regime? And the NYT is also?
Again, it’s taken you days to come up with just Chomsky’s name. You had nothing at all on the first day.
And there are significantly more than “tow (sic) kind of people in this world.”
Certainly more than mere “imperialists und (sic) oppressors.” Although imperialists & oppressors are represented on this page, ignorantly supporting Putin’s imperial invasion & barbaric oppression of a sovereign neighbouring people. (Just one example.)
August 24th, 2023
Medea Benjamin, Andrew Bacevich, Chris Hedges, Cornel West, John Mearsheimer, Noam Chomsky, Max Blumenthal and Jeremy Scahill just to mention few names and the list is growing by the day.
The New York Times is very pro west and against Russia. That is why you seem ignorant of this basic fact and just want to play games.
Ukraine is a pawn for militarists intent on degrading Russia and ultimately China in a self-defeating quest to ensure U.S. global hegemony. The end of this war, like most proxy wars, will be ugly.
The war in Ukraine, stoked in part by NATO expansion and the violation of promises made to Moscow at the end of the Cold War, now looks set to become a lengthy war of attrition—one funded and backed by the United States.
Secretary of defense Lloyd Austin, after a visit to Kyiv declared that quote, “We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things it has done in Ukraine.” Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, during her own trip to Kyiv said that America will, “Stand with Ukraine until victory is won.” The Biden administration has requested another $33 billion in emergency military and economic aid, half of what Russia spent on its military in 2021 for Ukraine, a package congressional Democrats plan to increase by $7 billion. And this is on top of the $13.6 billion already allocated for Ukraine. The total US troop numbers in Central and Eastern Europe has been increased to more than 100,000.
Biden has signed into law a modern day Lend-Lease Act, waiving time-consuming requirements to fast track weapons to Ukraine. What will be the consequences of the US fueling this proxy war? How will Russia respond to the US targeting over a dozen Russian generals for assassination and providing the intelligence to sink the Moskva, the guided missile cruiser that was the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet? What will the war mean for the United States, Europe, and Russia? Could it escalate into an open confrontation between the United States and Russia? Why are the same cabal of generals and politicians that drain the state of trillions of dollars in the debacles in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Somalia, and learned nothing from the nightmare of Vietnam, once again able to push the United States closer and closer towards another conflict.
The Afghanistan War did end in a humiliating failure, the Iraq War that began in 2003 didn’t end in anything much better. So I think that in many respects, the national security apparatus was eager to find an episode, an opportunity, at least to divert attention from its own shortcomings, and at best to contrive some way of redeeming itself. And that is why they are invested too much in the war in Ukraine.
America’s two ruling parties depend on campaign funds from the war industry and are pressured by weapons manufacturers in their state or districts, who employ constituents, to pass gargantuan military budgets. Politicians are acutely aware that to challenge the permanent war economy is to be attacked as unpatriotic and is usually an act of political suicide.
Washington is giving Ukraine ever more sophisticated weapons systems and billions upon billions in aid in a futile bid to save Ukraine but, more importantly, to save itself. But, they carry the seeds of our own destruction and this might be sooner than later.
August 24th, 2023
We need somebody to make us laugh, a guy/girl who can easily outsmart all of us. A narcissist who wants to have the last word and who will never rise to the top in his/her social milieu.
August 24th, 2023
Well, Narcissist. There’s not a member left on this site who can’t see who and what you are now.
Nearly three thousand words.
And with characteristic lack of self awareness, as per, you accuse me of doing what you have done yourself. Spending profitless hours on rubbish. In your case, spending profitless hours burying a dead reputation.
You have killed it yourself, stone dead. It was never what you thought it was, but it’s gone now.
I’ll bet even tenbenson won’t read the suicide note from The Narcissist’s ego. And he told me to get an editor.
I can’t imagine there’s anyone who upon seeing it, let alone reading it, would say to themselves Wow. That Caesar is awesome. He sure told Wobbly what was what! (Note the sparing use of the exclamation point).
In your attempt to obliterate my previous post, you’ve succeeded in exposing yourself, good and proper.
The saddest aspect is always the unwitting one.
Let’s start by revisiting that classic phrase, ‘moral stain’.
Iraq, Libya, Yemen &c were, according to The Narcissist, a ‘moral stain’. Afghanistan may as well be included, as over 240, 000 were killed in violence and an estimated two hundred thousand more died as a result of famine caused by the war. Vietnam too, bombed into oblivion fifty years ago. All by the hand of the US. And on occasions a ‘coalition of the willing’.
‘Moral stain’ was how he put it.
Note the employment of that term. Phrased in a blithe manner as a reluctant, get-it-over-with-and-move-on admission. The Narcissist who expresses great outrage over every single claim of brutality and atrocity by states considered hostile to the US and NATO – whether or no there is sufficient proof, and in complete disregard of the notion that propaganda may be involved – uses the term ‘moral stain’ to skate over the deaths of millions killed before the millennium, and millions since. All in American wars.
He did not write that those deaths were a moral stain upon America’s or even NATO’s conscience. Conscience is a difficult concept for a narcissist.
He wrote that those countries themselves, were the stains – and presumably by extension, their people. Not the US, NATO, nor any ‘coalition of the willing’ perpetrating crimes against humanity upon innocent civilian populations.
And he (The Narcissist) had to be pressed to admit even that much.
While so-called ‘hostile states’ he finds unequivocally guilty of anything the Western media accuses them of, the Narcissist cannot bring himself to condemn in specific terms anything perpetrated either by America, or by the organization it commands and drives.
Thus he claims he condemns ‘all human rights abuses’ ‘All of them. It’s a seamless cloak’– or a phrase with the same meaning, no particulars.
Yet condemns with especial specificity, those attributed to regimes America deems hostile. That is, those which won’t accept its hegemonic rule.
Should anyone express doubt over a claim of genocide given wide publicity by partisan sources, then the singular cerebral machinery comprising The Narcissist’s brain immediately automates the accusation of ‘genocide denial’.
When certain disfavoured parties are accused of killing thousands, it is genocide.
When the US and its allies cause a multiple of hundred times more, indisputable and highly documented, it’s but a moral stain.
Given that those ‘moral stain’ victims are overwhelmingly Arabic, African or Asian, and the ones for whom he expresses his fabricated compassion are overwhelmingly white, it’s eminently clear to whom the ‘racist’ tag belongs.
But narcissists are self-deceivers and liars, and nobody should take them seriously.
Express skepticism over the politically motivated accusations of anti-Semitism leveled against Jeremy Corbyn, and the same quasi-mechanical fairground device that is the Narcissist’s thought process, spits out a card with the word ‘antisemite’ on it. And thereafter, accusations of Nazi, and ‘Jeewws’ come thick and thicker.
This person will say anything to win an argument. He has NPD. It’s an existential fight.
I thought it was over. Of course I knew it couldn’t be.
But honestly, somebody should make him stop. It’s disturbing to see how far a vulnerable person will go to maintain what he perceives is his status.
August 24th, 2023
I should say, Loewe that it’s been a pleasure to read your posts. Good to know there are people on this site who are enquiring and knowledgeable. Not just posting to show how clever they think they are.
August 24th, 2023
You need someone to change your overflowing basement bot diaper, Loewe IQ, that’s what you need! And to rescue you from bot prop, con theories & your basement milieu. Top o’ the basement, ma!
The very fact that you’ve resorted to a selection of con theorist loons (Max Blumenthal, ffs), people without relevant expertise, & discredited ideological extremists puts the lie to your ever-growing list of “experts.” The list is actually contracting & diminishing.
Medea Benjamin, for inst, is a “political activist” who, the Anti-Defamation League has reported, attended the second annual New Horizons conference in Tehran several yrs ago, which hosted several fascists & Holocaust deniers. Is that really what we’re talking about here, Loewe IQ?
Chris Hedges has written that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “a criminal war of aggression;” & has called for the withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine. Additionally, he has written in his 2022 book, “The Greatest Evil is War” that, “The invasion of Ukraine, under post-Nuremberg laws, is a criminal war of aggression.”
Let’s look at John Mearsheimer, shall we? He has been described as an “unwitting apologist” for for Russian war crimes in Ukraine. (Rachman, Gideon (Feb 13, 2023). “It makes no sense to blame the west for the Ukraine war”. Financial Times.)
Mearsheimer himself has said, in a March, 2022 interview in the New Yorker, about Ukraine becoming a liberal democracy, with greater international relationships, that “from a Russian perspective, this is an existential threat.”(?!)
Mearsheimer has also confidently stated, in a lecture at U of Chicago several yrs ago, that “If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine. Putin is much too smart to try that.”
Yeah the prosecution rests, Loewe IQ.
Your boast had moreover implied specific, pertinent expertise; actual proficiency in the domain, but, in the main, you just went with a bot-centric list of the usual suspects. Where’s the ever-growing list of actual experts?
“the list is growing by the day” - You still offer no evidence of this ass-ertion.
And anyone with any remaining, residual credit whatsoever (let’s put the NYT under that rubric, for a theoretical moment) still does not put them in your uniformed column. You evidently erroneously imagine that, like yourself, the NYT - or Chomsky even, slavishly support the Putin regime. No evidence of this either, aside from wishful bot-”thinking” quite clearly.
“The New York Times is very pro west and against Russia” - Oh, Loewe IQ, you know nothing of the NYT’s record - specifically relating to Ukraine, in point of fact.
Why are these lads attracted to a book site, of all things? Just following bot orders, most likely.
“Ukraine is a pawn for militarists intent on degrading…China(?!)” - This is what happens with isolated, vulnerable basement types, the most ludicrous con theories are deep throated voraciously. Bizarre.
“The end of this war, like most proxy wars, will be ugly” - So don’t invade sovereign countries. Avoid ugliness & violence. But that’s not how ruthless, expansionist imperialists like Putin “think,” now is it?
“promises made to Moscow” - Yeah, this is not the “Scramble for Africa,” sovereign countries conclude international agreements - or not, as the case may be. What you have there is all the Kremlin prop you’ve swallowed on this issue. Say something different, ffs. Pretend to be an adult for a while.
“looks set to become lengthy war of attrition—one funded & backed by US” - One began & prosecuted by an invading, imperialist aggressor. It’s already a lengthy war, Loewe IQ - that’s the point. And your worshipped “strong” man of power was something to sweep all before in a matter of weeks (at the outside) - what a phck up he is, eh?
“see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things it has done in Ukraine” - Would that Putin’s regime couldn’t carry out its atrocities, genocide, mass rape & torture. Many more people would now be alive if that were that the case. And many others would not have been maimed, raped, bereaved, tortured, scarred by this imperialist invasion.
You don’t want to see the imperial invader repelled? My country was similarly invaded & colonised by another brutal empire (Wobbly1933’s Brutish Empire). This is not an abstract issue for us. These are real human beings, real victims. You seem to “think” that it’s your sick fantasy Cold War game.
Why do you slavishly support that shyte? What the phck is wrong with? Is it just that it’s not happening to you, so you couldn’t give a shyte? Is that as far as you can see? Not past your own basement belly?
Everyone here wants Putin’s imperial regime out of that sovereign country; everyone wants to see that brutalised country rebuilt & restored after this illegal, immoral, unnecessary imperial invasion. Ukrainian refugees want to return to their sovereign homeland, to be with what’s left of their families. But why would you give a phck about that? They’re not “strong men,” after all.
And what has Putin & his regime learned from Russia’s catastrophic Soviet imperial past (he was a part of it, after all). Russia’s utter collapse, total ideological failure & humiliation - socially, imperially, economically; its catastrophic invasion & war in Afghanistan (ending again in humiliating failure); its multiple proxy wars throughout the century; its defeat in the last Cold War; state slavery; its violent opposition to liberal democracy, the rule of law & fundamental human rights; its myriad, barbaric concentration camps; wasted, tortured lives; its genocidal history - including committing genocide in Ukraine, the Holodomor, intentionally planning the starvation of millions of human beings - quite apart from its current imperial invasion & ongoing disaster in Ukraine; & all of its other disasters.
It’s quite clear that no learning has taken place whatsoever. They try to redress humiliation by humiliating themselves all over again.
Is Putin stupid enough to use nuclear weapons? Many thought he wasn’t stupid enough to invade sovereign Ukraine (including one of your “names” - John Mearsheimer) - & look what happened. Even the Soviet id!ots weren’t stupid enough to make war with nukes (just with everything else).
What will be the consequences of Putin’s regime starting this illegal, imperialist, expansionist war? Who can say? So far it has been a human catastrophe. Do your “strong men” care? Not at all.
The lesson of history seems to be: evil imperialist phckers ought to stop invading other people’s sovereign countries. How about that for a lesson, tankies? Will your beloved “strong men” do that? Nah.
One pertinent lesson from history, the nat socialists were granted all their imperialist territorial demands at Munich - the same “Sudetenlander” strategic ruse Putin is using in the current inst - & the democracies’ policy didn’t work. It merely emboldened the nat socialists to make ever more expansionist demands. Giving in to such despotisms as these does not prevent war, it merely adjourns it. Your “strong men” always want more.
The Putin regime “was eager to find an episode, an opportunity, at least to divert attention from its own shortcomings, & at best to contrive some way of redeeming itself.” So it invaded Ukraine again? P’haps, yeah. Corrupt, failing empires will do that.
America & Jews are awful men altogether, isn’t it, me ol’ mucker? But what’s Putin’s excuse for aggressive imperialism, brutal expansionism & genocidal policies, with his enormous military assets & even larger corruption? Are you finally beginning to see?
And here’s the thing, as I told Wobbly1933, this book doesn’t concern American politics, rather it concerns courageous Ukrainian people defending their homes & families from imperialist invasion. So you seek to clumsily distract from this, and even to slavishly support the imperialist invader. Ukrainians know their history - their history of forced starvation - millions murdered. You support the imperialist strategy of dehumanising people as the other, in order to “liquidate” them & take their land. Every atrocity supported by characters like you - with victim-blaming aplenty for those who dare stand against your beloved “strong” man. It’s all been done before, Loewe IQ, although you wouldn’t know it.
“a futile bid to save Ukraine” - Ah here, it looks like you’re already onanistically fantasising about total population “liquidation, transportation & cleansing.” You ideological barbarians do so love your sleazy euphemisms.
Incidentally, in keeping with Wobbly1933’s habit, you copied/pasted that sans attribution (or imputation in the case of you lot). Because that’s virtually all clearly written by someone else. Someone who can spell & fashion reasonably coherent sentences. The shorter comments are definitely you, however. No argument there…
August 25th, 2023
You again, Wobbly1933 (yawn! You must excuse me, it’s just the tedium of your rants). Back with a whimper. Ya just can’t keep a good genocide denying Wobbly Narcissist down, eh? Counting words is one thing, where you always fail is in comprehending them. And stop trying to last word it, unless, by some miracle, you can finally make your final word truthful & rational. Anyway, you’d write more than that amount of words for a tutorial prep, you eejit. (For you, that would indeed constitute a “suicide.”)
Have you counted all of your own rambling rants & copy/paste screeds yet? And when you ass-ert all over the place, expect people to slap you down. I know your utopia is Putin’s “free speech” regime & all, which is “legally” defined as no free expression whatsoever. Nice & quiet, aside from the obvious prop tsunami.
“Spending profitless hrs on rubbish” - You actually spend hours on your rants? I suspected as much. Yet somehow still replete with puerile errors. Cop on to yourself, heinrich.
“dead reputation” - What are you on about, tankie? Are you ok?
Don’t be so quick to invoke reputation, heinrich, you sneer at victims of rape, torture & murder; & you deny/support genocide also. “Reputation” is it?
“obliterate my prev post” - Yup, wholly refuted (for the literate, at any rate - don’t fret too much).
“Iraq, Libya, Yemen &c were, accord to Narcissist” - Why are you speaking of yourself in the turd person? Isn’t that also indicative of narcissism?
“Moral stain’ was how put” - Yes, again for the literate, as you clearly couldn’t understand it. (Although, I appreciate that you seem to be trying, & that you’re attempting to communicate this - as with your “Note the sparing use of exclamation point,” I do, Wobbly1933, & I’m duly impressed. But now, crack on with some reading comprehension.)
On the issue of moral stains, as you admit your lack of familiarity with phrasing, as I said, all HR abuses are moral stains. That is what I have consistently affirmed. They indelibly mark the wrongdoer. Whereas, you unthinkingly support human rights violations of despotic regimes & genocidal ideologies, which you unquestioningly promote here (& likely elsewhere); & seek to distract from them by pointing at Jews & Americans.
That is the vital difference - & one which you also fail to understand. Putin/CCP always good, Jews/Americans always bad. Everything you copy/paste/say can be epitomised in that too simple formula. But you can’t hope to comprehend someone who condemns all human rights violations - without having to ask who the culprit is - that just does not compute for you.
This means that you actually favour genocide & abuses of human rights as expedient strategies; you merely deny those of your “side” & hypocritically condemn the other.
You can never refute this, which is why you can only transparently try to distract from it.
Indeed, an extended litany of Russia’s atrocities & genocides can continually be made; more pertinently also as the present book concerns the illegal, imperial invasion of Ukraine by the Putin regime, which all reasonable people deplore, as it is certainly yet another indelible moral stain. More attempts to distract from this with failed “WhatAboutAmerica?!” or “WhatAboutJeeewz?!” merely represent transparent ploys.
“Afghan…over 240, 000 killed in viol & est 200,000 died as result famine by war” - You won’t know this, because it’s the factual historical record, but during the Russian invasion & brutal war in Afghanistan, up to 2 million Afghans were killed. Scholars Mohammad Kakar, W. Michael Reisman & Charles Norchi observe that the SU was guilty of committing genocide in Afghanistan. The Soviet army killed and drove off civilians, & used scorched earth tactics to prevent their return. They deployed booby traps, mines, & chemical substances throughout the country. The Soviet army indiscriminately killed combatants & noncombatants to ensure submission by the local populations. Many provinces witnessed extensive depopulation programmes by Soviet forces (refugee camps were enormous). They abducted Afghan women in helicopters while scouting. Soviet soldiers kidnapped young women from city of Kabul & areas near Soviet garrisons, to rape them. Women who were taken and raped by soldiers were considered ‘dishonoured’ by their families if they returned home. Do you know what that means, in an Islamic country, heinrich? Would you even care a damn if you did?
There was an outcry back in Russia over this, not the rapes or mass murder, but that Soviet “war heroes” were being depicted as “murderers,” “aggressors,” “rapists,” & “junkies.” Little really changes, Wobbly1933.
How is that genocide memorialised in your bot basement, heinrich? You probably regard that not as an indelible moral stain, but as a noble Soviet action for the Motherland, eh? A projection of your beloved “strong man” power.
“(Moral stain) Phrased in a blithe manner” - For you, no doubt; but you sneer at victims of rape, torture, murder; & routinely deny/support genocide. That, no reasonable, humane person could ever do.
However, demonstrably you can only narrowly perceive these things in terms of simplistic “sides.” The opp “side” is always guilty - no exceptions, & mostly guilty of the offences of your own “side,” for the usual self-serving “reasons.” Contrarily, when it comes to your “side,” that of the despotic “strong man” regime or genocidal ideology, they are always declared to be free of blame - in spite of there being sufficient or overwhelming proof, “& in complete disregard of the notion that propaganda may be involved” & amply deployed by your “side.” Do you see?
“uses term ‘moral stain’ skate over millions killed b4 millenn, & millions since” - Refer back to the original quote, I was including all the murders & atrocities in countries such as Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya - because they were the countries you listed. I would have honestly named all the most prominent states with catastrophic wars, ideologies, genocides & regimes - but you wished to avoid these, & never condemn them for established, known horrors (ask yourself: why? Only you can answer that). I would not hesitate to clearly identify others as well (such as - Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, Cuba, Saudi Arabia - but inclusive of actions in, broadly, E. Europe, Africa, Asia).
As I have affirmed repeatedly, the indelible moral stain encompasses the actions of (in your expediently nominated 4, at that time) Gaddafi; Assad; US; Britain; Putin’s regime & the earlier Soviet empire; Saddam Hussein; the Taliban; & Iran’s involvement throughout the region, in proxy conflicts & in sponsoring terror (many other non-state terrorist actors also embroiled themselves). These were the most prominent & inescapable culprits in your original nominated four. None can be, or ought to be excluded, to do so only signifies your support of such regimes & entities. I freely condemn them all now, just as I did then, as an indelible moral stain attaches to each. You cannot & will not do the same, because you must contrive excuses for your favoured genocidal regimes being wholly blameless. Although you failed to grant the same courtesy to Ukrainians - including children - who were raped, tortured & murdered. You sneered at the mention of them, as though such victims were “perfect,” you said).
“Conscience is a difficult concept for a narcissist.” - I wish you well of it, all the same. It’s certainly too late for you to evolve anything like a conscience.
“He wrote that those countries themselves, were the stains – & presumably by extension, their people” - Another complete & utter lie & transparently dishonest attempt at diversion. Shame on you, although I would expect nothing more. You will never be able to point to any such thing said or implied by me. No such quotation will exist. The reason being that I invariably condemn the despotic regimes & genocidal ideologies - the very ones that you support - & I am scrupulous in observing that the primary victims of these regimes are the populations living under their boot, with no recourse to liberal democratic institutions, the rule of law or fundamental human rights. That is all you will find, if you were ever to trouble yourself with accuracy or truth. Let’s see if you have the balls to withdraw that lying slur. Hopes are subterranean. You yourself reject human rights for the peoples of these countries - “Human rights blah blah;” you sneer at victims (as though they were “perfect,” said you); you deny/support genocide. All indisputable & established.
“perpetrating crimes against humanity on innocent civil pops” - How can you present yourself as sincerely concerned about any of this? You avowedly support the perpetrator regimes & genocidal ideologies responsible. You even rejected fundamental human rights.
“The Narcissist had to be pressed to admit even that much” - You have not yet admitted the genocides & atrocities. You certainly do not condemn them, because you demonstrably support them. Your own indelible moral stain is quite plain - you gave it to yourself by supporting genocide.
“guilty of anything West media accuses them of, cannot bring himself to condemn in specif terms anyth perpetrated eith by Amer, or organization” - How is it possible to engage with someone who actually denies genocide? Who actually supports it? Everything you assert after that is utterly meaningless. “America & Jews always bad; Putin & CCP always good.” That’s not a starting point for anything, other than people laughing at you & your tankie lunacy. And yes, your narcissism, which you yourself diagnosed & identified above.
“organization” - And why are you using US spellings all over the shop? Are these yet more of your mistakes?
I freely & consistently condemned human rights violations of all actors - incl Amer & Brit in Iraq & Afghan. You have never condemned - but actually support - the genocides, atrocities, concentration camps, slave states, brutal invasions & imperialism - perpetrated by Russia & China, principally. How about some honesty from you - given that you’re light yrs away from any “specifics.” (What an uneducated & ineducable shambles your “specifics” would be.)
You’re probably also too racist & stupid to recall that when I condemned Britain, you immediately & hysterically started in on one of your many iterations of racism - anti-Irishness, on that occasion. All Irish people support IRA, you confidently blundered, with some racist epithets thrown in. Because that’s who you are. I decidedly do not want to hear what you really “think” about Jews & black people. What a Nigel Farrago that would be, & what a Nigel you most certainly are.
“he condemns ‘all human rights abuses’” - Precisely so. Why don’t you have the balls to do the same?
“seamless cloak” - Come on, heinrich, reading your demented rants is almost like one of your favoured torture chambers – the ones you continue to support.
“anyone express doubt over claim of genocide” - Oh, so you just “expressed doubt” about genocide, did you? How pleased the prisoners of all the concentration camps will be that you have merely “expressed doubt” over their lived experience, incl of supporting population statistics & witness testimony. You arrogant fascist twat. You rejected it, because it’s not being committed by America. Rejected reality, in common with all the other atrocities, which you actually support.
“express doubt” - “Note the employment of that term. Phrased in a blithe manner as a reluctant, get-it-over-with-&-move-on admission. The Narcissist who expresses great outrage over every single claim of brutality & atrocity by states consid hostile to (Putin & the CCP regime) – whether or no there is sufficient proof, & in complete disregard of notion that propaganda may be involved – uses the term (”express doubt”) to skate over the deaths of millions.”
And you clearly still haven’t familiarised yourself with the data on the genocide which I provided - placed right before you, in fact - & all the other data from established international human rights agencies, such as HRW, Amnesty & others. Odd, considering that it is genocide we’re talking about, yet you don’t consider it important or remarkable enough to repeat anything other than CCP-approved material reproduced uncritically by Grayzone. Hmmm. Most odd.
Your watchword: don’t ever investigate your “side,” because you seriously do not want to know. (But you really do know, heinrich. Quick, look! Jeeewz!)
In contrast to your designedly incurious approach, it would be most reassuring & “good to know there are people on this site who are enquiring & knowledgeable.”
“When cert disfavoured parties are accused killing thousands, it is genocide” - What do you like to call it, heinrich? Liquidation? Racial hygiene? Transportation? A good day? You uniformed types always love your ideological euphemisms. Finally call evil by its name. Stop denying/supporting genocide.
“it’s but a moral stain” - As I patiently explained, what Russia (Soviets & Putin era), the Taliblan, your lot & US did in Afghan; what Saddam, you lot, US, Iran & non-state terror actors did in Iraq; Gaddafi in Libya; Assad & Putin (incl Russ neo-nazis) did in Syria; in addition to Iran’s involvement throughout the region, in proxy conflicts & in sponsoring terror. All of these are indelible moral stains (is it just that you cannot understand this phrase either? No harm done).
Of course, you want to expediently restrict it to your nominated 4, quite obviously in order to avoid most of the atrocities & genocides of the despotic regimes you support
As I clearly said, I would not hesitate to clearly identify all the others as well; all the disastrous wars, toxic ideologies, genocides & tyrannical regimes - but you wanted to avoid mentioning them, & to never condemn them for their established, known horrors. Your fear of truth in shameful operation.
“fabricated compassion” - This inadvertently revealing phrase of yours is self-evidently the most narcissistic expression you could deploy; it actually operates to confirm your narcissism. Aside from your repeated genocide denials & mocking of rape/torture victims, it establishes your condition as an isolated, vulnerable & hateful character. It’s genuinely chilling stuff, to know that this is how your mind “works,” in severe isolation.
And as you yourself warn (who better, I suppose), “narcissists are self-deceivers & liars, & nobody should take them seriously.” Duly warned, Wobbly Narcissist.
“it’s eminently clear to whom ‘racist’ tag belongs” - It is indeed. You have demonstrated & manifested your rabid racism on multiple occasions. You have expressed racial bigotry towards Jews & Irish people most prominently (really, what age are you, heinrich?); but given that you deny & support genocide; & that you also support brutal, expansionist imperialism, this inevitably encompasses grave harms to multiple & diverse groups of people. So, I am compelled to conclude that you are an English chauvinist of some kind, with the concomitant bigotries: your hatred of the EU - all those dangerous “foreigners” (”it will fall soon!”); your imperialism; your hate speech; your uncritical worship of power & “strong men” (your “betters”); your vile hatred & prejudice against Irish people; your singling out of the Jews for particular abuse, over other races & ethnicities; your rejection of human rights. Even your poor command of expression is a trait oft exhibited by those falling into the racist bracket. Low educational attainment & manifest fear/hatred of education (such as your having no familiarity with books or the history of ideas); etc. etc.
“Given that those ‘moral stain’ victims are overwhelmingly Arab, African or Asian, & ones for whom he expresses fabricated compassion are overwhelmingly white” - You’re collapsing into incoherence yet again, heinrich. One of your more bizarre non sequiturs. The victims are the point. As I explained, they are the ones whose testimony must be heeded. Although you have rejected this idea & fundamental human rights; along with the actual testimony of victims themselves (so, “fabricated” compassion - see? It can only ever be “fabricated” for such as yourself). And, as I have carefully outlined to you, the greatest victim groups of your favoured regimes over the course of the last century have been the Chinese people (”overwhelmingly white?”) & those within the ambit of their ruling regime (which you also support) - these groups, by the largest margin; the Russian people & those within the ambit of their controlling regime; the Jewish people - esp as a proportion; Africa has also been devastated by toxic ideology, particularly following WWII. These extreme, genocidal ideologies, of course, constitute the greatest & most indelible moral stain.
Moreover, it remains the case (I must have explained this to you as well at some point?) that very few countries enjoy liberal democracy, rule of law, fundamental human rights - even basic provisions. Many peoples, in the Islamic world, as well as throughout Asia, S. & C. Amer, & Africa, exist under the most appalling regimes imaginable, w the worst human rights records. Many people will already know about the very worst offending regimes, China, N Korea, Russia, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Yemen, Syria, Myanmar, S. Arabia, DR Congo, Afghan, Sudan, Egypt, Central African Republic (Russ involvement once again) - but there are plenty more oppressive regimes around globe. And given their secretive nature, the rule is that what can be gleaned is typically a mere indicator of truly dreadful condition of subject populations.
However, if you want to spend your endless time brutally dividing victims into your “races” & colours, as is your wont (for more racist “reasons,” no doubt), then do so. It’s your basement, as they say. And doubtless your suspiciously stained uniform, too.
“Express skepticism over polit motiv accus of anti-Semitism leveled against J Corbyn” - This has already been established; old news, so please stop blaming Jewish people. There’s enough of that in rants. The Equality & Human Rights Commission’s report objectively found Labour under Corbyn responsible for “unlawful” harassment & discrimination. From the précis, it found Labour responsible for 3 breaches of the Equality Act: political interference in anti-Semitism complaints; failure to provide adequate training to those handling anti-Semitism complaints; & harassment, incl the use of anti-Semitic tropes & suggesting that complaints of anti-Semitism were fake or smears (standard, that one). The EHRC found evidence of 23 instances of “inappropriate involvement” by Mr Corbyn’s office specifically.
Attempting even more outlandish con theories, & blaming “them” again, are unhelpful courses of action at this point.
“leveled?” - You keep using US orthography, heinrich. Are you lying about where you’re from again?
Also, how come when you “express doubt” or “express skepticism,” it’s always in the most self-serving, expedient, racist, prejudiced direction? It simply cannot be coincidence.
“pers say anything to win argum” - You seriously imagine that this is a contest? That’s what you were telling yourself? No, Wobbly1933. You have not once made a genuinely valid or truthful argument. I’m not even sure that you’re telling the truth about where you’re from (see above). Many of your sentences are essentially incoherent; you rely on obvious con theories (”Ukrs are attacking themselves!”); blatant contradictions; puerile attempts at distraction; confused falsehoods; in addition to Kremlin-sourced prop & talking points. It clearly never got to the point of a contest.
As to your “status” anxiety (your beloved class system, p’haps?) - this site is a wholly anon milieu, so you’re again mistaken to believe that status is a factor. Everything’s in the abstract, Nigel. You, for inst, give many of the indicators of being a mindless bot; or, in the unlikely event of, er, humanity, you just diagnosed & revealed yourself as a Wobbly Narcissist (with your “fabricated compassion”).
August 25th, 2023
Webby1948, the pleasure is all mine. You also have made some good arguments.
August 25th, 2023
You can’t not dismiss all of these activist and experts as anti-wets and corrupt.
Your ignorance of all of these authors shows that you just want to play and protect your ego.
For example, the NYT is the most anti-Russian journal and yet it writes a month ago: quietly, many military analysts and Western officials are asking why the onslaught has not been even worse. Putin has shown some restraint so far. Russia could be going after Ukrainian railways, roads and bridges more aggressively to try to stanch the flow of Western weapons to the front line. It could have bombed more of the infrastructure around the capital, Kyiv, to make it harder for Western leaders to visit President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in shows of unity and resolve. And it could be doing far more to inflict pain on the West, whether by cyberattack, sabotage or more cutoffs of energy exports to Europe.
You can’t just turn around this and play games and post 4000 words to run away from this fact.
Clearly you have no ideas who these names are. Take Chris Hedges, he says clearly that war in Ukraine is an aggression but he blames the west for igniting it.
He says: this proxy war in Ukraine is designed to serve US interests. It enriches the weapons manufacturers, weakens the Russian military and isolates Russia from Europe. What happens to Ukraine is irrelevant.
‘First, equipping our friends on the front lines to defend themselves is a far cheaper way — in both dollars and American lives — to degrade Russia’s ability to threaten the United States,’ admitted Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell.
‘Second, Ukraine’s effective defence of its territory is teaching us lessons about how to improve the defences of partners who are threatened by China. It is no surprise that senior officials from Taiwan are so supportive of efforts to help Ukraine defeat Russia. Third, most of the money that’s been appropriated for Ukraine security assistance doesn’t actually go to Ukraine. It gets invested in American defence manufacturing. It funds new weapons and munitions for the US armed forces to replace the older material we have provided to Ukraine. Let me be clear: this assistance means more jobs for American workers and newer weapons for American service members.’
Once the truth about these endless wars seeps into public consciousness, the media, which slavishly promotes these conflicts, drastically reduces coverage. The military debacles, as in Iraq and Afghanistan, continue largely out of view. By the time the US concedes defeat, most barely remember that these wars are being fought.
The pimps of war who orchestrate these military fiascos migrate from administration to administration. Between posts they are ensconced in think tanks — Project for the New American Century, American Enterprise Institute, Foreign Policy Initiative, Institute for the Study of War, The Atlantic Council and The Brookings Institution — funded by corporations and the war industry. Once the Ukraine war comes to its inevitable conclusion, these Dr Strangeloves will seek to ignite a war with China. The US Navy and military are already menacing and encircling China. God help us if we don’t stop them.
These pimps of war con us into one conflict after another with flattering narratives that paint us as the world’s saviours. They don’t even have to be innovative. The rhetoric is lifted from the old playbook. We naively swallow the bait and embrace the flag — this time blue and yellow — to become unwitting agents in our self-immolation.
He also writes: How do we deal with the anti-Russian purges and arrests of supposed ‘fifth columnists’ sweeping through Ukraine, given that 30 per cent of Ukraine’s inhabitants are Russian speakers? How do we respond to the neo-Nazi groups supported by Zelenskyy’s government that harass and attack the LGBT community, the Roma population, anti-fascist protests and threaten city council members, media outlets, artists and foreign students? How can we countenance the decision by the US and its Western allies to block negotiations with Russia to end the war, despite Kyiv and Moscow apparently being on the verge of negotiating a peace treaty?
I reported from Eastern and Central Europe in 1989 during the breakup of the Soviet Union. NATO, we assumed, had become obsolete. President Mikhail Gorbachev proposed security and economic agreements with Washington and Europe. Secretary of state James Baker in Ronald Reagan’s administration, along with the West German foreign minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, assured Gorbachev that NATO would not be extended beyond the borders of a unified Germany. We naively thought the end of the Cold War meant that Russia, Europe and the US, would no longer have to divert massive resources to their militaries.
If Russia did not want to be the enemy, Russia would be forced to become the enemy. The pimps of war recruited former Soviet republics into NATO by painting Russia as a threat. Countries that joined NATO, which now include Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro, and North Macedonia, reconfigured their militaries, often through tens of millions in western loans, to become compatible with NATO military hardware. This made the weapons manufacturers billions in profits.
It was universally understood in Eastern and Central Europe following the collapse of the Soviet Union that NATO expansion was unnecessary and a dangerous provocation. It made no geopolitical sense. But it made commercial sense. War is a business.
In a classified diplomatic cable — obtained and released by WikiLeaks — dated February 1, 2008, written from Moscow, and addressed to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, NATO-European Union Cooperative, National Security Council, Russia Moscow Political Collective, Secretary of Defence, and Secretary of State, there was an unequivocal understanding that expanding NATO risked conflict with Russia, especially over Ukraine.
‘Not only does Russia perceive encirclement [by NATO], and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests,’ the cable reads. ‘Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face….’
And his conclusion was: The Russian invasion of Ukraine would not have happened if the western alliance had honoured its promises not to expand NATO beyond Germany’s borders and Ukraine had remained neutral. The pimps of war knew the potential consequences of NATO expansion. War, however, is their single minded vocation, even if it leads to a nuclear holocaust with Russia or China.
Are you reading this far narcissist? See how you distort facts and run away from reality by flooding this site with your hollow and empty words?
But you have no answer and your labeling all of these experts are biased is just the poof.
August 25th, 2023
We shall not take you seriously…
We can not take you seriously…
August 25th, 2023
Loewe IQ, constantly repeating meaningless phrases, like a person with a head injury; then the self-diagnosed narcissist, Wobbly1933, arrives: “I so admire you, Loewe IQ, finally a character on my own mental level!”
Loewe IQ: “But I need a man to change my overflowing basement bot diaper!”
Brilliant. Like a mindless, power-worshipping double act.
You’re clearly going to leave each others’ “points” because you bots copy/paste from precisely the same “strong man” prop source.
Finally try to read a book, bots, put down the matches.
August 25th, 2023
We can not take you seriously…
We shall not take you seriously…
We need somebody to make us laugh, a guy/girl who can easily outsmart all of us. A narcissist who wants to have the last word and who will never rise to the top in his/her social milieu.
August 25th, 2023
The lack of self knowledge exhibited here is as revealing as ever:accusing others of ‘repeating meaningless phrases’when he himself has contributed nothing new to the Ukraine/NATO/Russia debate since it all began.
And he reverts regularly to allegations of copy/paste with all the blithe insouciance of somebody who hasn’t been caught red fingered (can’t say8 red faced; this person cannot experience embarrassment) deliberately copying and pasting another’s propaganda as if it were his own. Plagiarist, incel, narcissist, call him what you will, he’ll keep coming back because he seems to feel he has a distinction on this site, a validation he cannot acquire anywhere else.
Case anybody’s in any doubt about what creature we are dealing with, here are just a few characteristics of narcissistic behaviour, as listed on Psychology Today website. And given proper attribution here. One of the narc’s hate sites I suppose:
Argumentative
Need to have the last word
Unable to lose
Quick to anger if you don’t agree with them
Quick to being aggressively defensive if you call them on any deficiency, fault or responsibility
Can’t apologize or if do, can’t do it sincerely
Rarely say, “Thank you” or “Congratulations”
Don’t feel or demonstrate remorse
Feel entitled to enthusiastic and appreciative approval, adoration, agreement and obedience
Gloat in victory, sullen in defeat
Quick to rage if you humiliate them
There are others, people. But the above should be familiar to anybody who has ever disagreed with, or read any comments of, The Narcissist who calls himself Caesar.
I don’t come to praise Caesar, or bury him. I just want him to shut the fück up.
Maybe read a book too.
Give it up Narcissist. Your latest, typically pathetic little trot out is full of transparent lies and projection. Nobody can be bothered to deny them because nobody takes them seriously.
Nobody on here enjoys the outbursts from your vile character, either. And by now anybody inquisitive enough knows who and what you are.
The very fact you keep returning to this exchange is proof enough of your psychological derangement. And I might feel sorry for you if you were not so doggedly self centred and downright nasty.Have you any redeeming features?
August 25th, 2023
Loewe IQ - “You can’t not dismiss all of these activist & experts as anti-wets (sic? Totally sic) & corrupt” - Precisely so! Your incoherent syntax proves my point.
“Your ignorance” - Oh, irony of ironies, Loewe IQ.
“ignor of all of these authors” - You clearly didn’t understand their positions - I provided details; you didn’t know what area of expertise some of them had - if relevant, or if operative at all. Now you’re doing an embarrassing backtrack.
Further, I identified that you had done a lengthy copy/paste, sans attribution (or imputation); this was abundantly manifest in the paste. You must adequately source this, or I will henceforth write your rants off.
Moreover, you implied an ever-increasing, extensive list of people with relevant expertise who take the same bot line as you, & so far you have produced precisely nobody who fits that criteria. Zero.
As for the credentials of some of some on your extremely short list, & their stance on Russia’s imperial invasion - refutations have been provided. Get someone to read & explain the pertinent matter to you, if you must.
“Take Chris Hedges, he says clearly that war in Ukraine is aggression” - Loewe IQ, that’s a part of what I just told you. I just said, “Chris Hedges has written that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “a criminal war of aggression;” & has called for the withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine. Additionally, he has written more fully in his 2022 book, “The Greatest Evil is War” that, “The invasion of Ukraine, under post-Nuremberg laws, is a criminal war of aggression.””
Are you not paying attention? You don’t even know what your nominated “experts” said - not unless I let you know. So the only reasonable conclusion to draw is that you are mining your prop sites for selective quotations. As here when you said “that war in Ukraine is aggression,” - when the full line is “Chris Hedges has written that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “a criminal war of aggression.”
And your other experts, the ones you hope are in support of Putin’s imperial invasion, as you are, also have among them those who condemn Putin’s expansionist, imperial invasion & illegal war of aggression.
But you continue to desperately wrap yourself in absurdities, contradictions & falsehoods.
Even an expert that you claim is also spinning your bot line, John Mearsheimer, said that Ukraine becoming a liberal democracy is, “from a Russian perspective, this is an existential threat.”(?!)
Mearsheimer has also confidently stated that “If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine. Putin is much too smart to try that.” And these are your proffered “experts?” He has also been described as an “unwitting apologist” for Russian war crimes in Ukraine.
“the NYT is the most anti-Russian journal” - This is a vacuous assertion. Try to substantiate this - with actual evidence now. Also, it’s an expedient lie. You are clearly ignorant of its stance on the Holodomor, as a single example, & its record on the awarded Pulitzer. They, like all of you prop bots - including Wobbly Narcissist - also denied genocide. Another established historical fact (I know you hate all of those).
“Putin has shown some restraint so far” - Putin, in his illegal, imperialist invasion (the latest) has unleashed brutal war on innocent Ukrainians; extensive rape, murder & torture upon the people; torture chambers in occupied territory, wherein people - including children - have been raped & tortured; Ukrainian civilians have been specifically targeted in war crimes & atrocities; Putin poisons & murders opposition & people in his way (have you been watching the news this week, Loewe IQ?).
Yet the imperialist “strong man” whom you worship is characterised by “restraint,” you mindlessly repeat.
Why does your “restrained” tyrant invade sovereign countries? Why does he not end his imperialist war, & demonstrate “restraint” by withdrawing from another people’s country?
Here’s another complex geopolitical question which, as a bot, you’re eminently qualified to weigh: what is Putin’s road back?
In addition, I asked this of the other bots, & they panicked & transparently evaded it - but I’ll ask you, for all the good it will do: is there anything at all that your imperialist tyrant, Putin, could do that you would actually have the balls to finally condemn & not slavishly support? Anything? Anything that you wouldn’t automatically “ButWhatAboutAmerica/Jeeewz?!” in response? Finally try to think independently. No more mindless copy/paste.
However, considering all that he’s culpable for already, “anything” is a rapidly narrowing field.
Also, why do you, or any bot, support the pervasive rape, torture & murder of Ukainian men, women & children? Why do you support brutal imperialism & despotic regimes?
“What happens to Ukraine is irrelevant” - Yeah, who really gives a shyte, eh? After all, they’re only human beings being raped, tortured & murdered, after all. People like everyone else, who just want to live their lives, in their own homes, peacefully raising their families.
Ukrainians know their history - you certainly don’t. Russians murdered multiple millions of Ukrainians in an enormous genocide. Ulrainians want & need help again to protect themselves from an imperialist aggressor. They need the practical means with which to defend themselves & to protect their families, whatever you or anyone else ignorantly presumes to “think.”
Give in to imperialist despots & ideologies, and do you know what happens? Do you have any historical literacy at all? Putin even used the obvious Sudetenlander ploy, & bots then mindlessly copy/paste it on this site.
Putin’s war machine was supposed to sweep all before it - in a matter of days - remember? Instead, he has massive desertions, equipment failure, & even his mercenaries are turning on him.
“Ukraine’s effective defence of its territory is teaching us lessons about how to improve the defences of partners who are threatened by China. It is no surprise that senior officials from Taiwan are so supportive of efforts to help Ukraine defeat Russia.” - Uh, yeah? Taiwan is similarly - & constantly - threatened by its imperialist, bullying neighbour, just as those sovereign neighbours of Russia are threatened. And believe it or not (you won’t have heard this) - Russia has actually brutally invaded its sovereign neighbours, including its current imperialist war of aggression against the Ukrainian people. Putin’s actions are proving the need for states to protect themselves from such imperialist aggressors.
You’re obliviously quoting material that directly undermines your bot talking points.
I can’t address any of your bizarre, weaponised con theories. You must always substantiate. That’s another area where Wobbly1933 consistently fails. (Don’t worry, I slap the hell out of him for it.)
“the media, which slavishly promotes these conflicts” - Well then, clearly you must stop copying/pasting prop sourced from Russian state media. There’s only so many ways that people can tell you that it’s obvious lies from the Putin regime.
“The military debacles…Afghanistan” - You’ll no doubt be aware that Russia murdered almost 2,000,000 Afghan men, women & children, in one of its imperial wars of aggression.
“The pimps of war” - Indeed, it’s clear that Putin & his regime have long been planning a large-scale imperialist invasion of sovereign Ukraine. In spite of that planning, their incompetence is manifest across all sectors & departments. They tried to project extreme militarist power, & it blew up in their faces. Phck all such imperialists.
China is indeed also militantly projecting its hegemony in Asia, seeking to seize & assert control over great spans of the South China sea, for inst. (Its aggressive actions in Hong Kong; the ongoing genocide; its continuing brutal occupation of Tibet; extensive human rights violations under the ideological regime, nationwide; its continued support of the North Korean atrocities - all of these are additional legitimate occasions of horror, which I too share - & I agree that nobody should ever try to gloss over them, as you say the media is wont to do.)
The Chinese regime’s threat to sovereign neighbours, particularly Taiwan, is deeply concerning. The Chinese regime is currently trying to seize & control almost the entire South China Sea. Under its nine-dash line, China is claiming as its national territory 3 million square kilometres out of the 3.5 million square kilometers of the South China Sea. This is intended to enlarge by 24% the territory of China.
This claim of China includes the high seas of the South China Sea. The mineral resources in the seabed of the high seas beyond the extended continental shelf of coastal states are a major target of the regime. China is claiming huge areas of the maritime zones of five coastal states. China is claiming from the Philippines a maritime area larger than the total land area of the Philippines.
Indeed, how far will they go to realise these imperial ambitions?
“paint us as the world’s saviours” - “Us?” Again, who are you taking these paragraphs from? They’re entirely at odds with your usual material, as you know.
“agents in our self-immolation. He also writes: How do we deal” - Hang on, “He also writes?” You’ve copied it out, but you’ve forgotten to remove the telltale “artefacts!”
None of this is yours, apart from some mistakes at the beginning & end. You’re just taking it from a prop bot site, like Wobbly1933. You may as well just link to the prop site, at this juncture. You copied it all out, with an added “the pleasure is all mine!” - Or, “lifted from the old playbook,” as you repeat. Ah here, I thought & hoped I was speaking directly to you.
Of course everyone is disturbed by the neo-Nazi groups supported by Putin’s govt, active in Russian society & in the Russian military; the bigoted Russian legislation designed to harass & attack victims within the LGBTQ community, who are viciously oppressed by, inter alia, the “Gay Propaganda” law, the people of Russia who desperately want & deserve democracy, fundamental human rights, & the rule of law; victims of racial prejudice under the Putin regime, such as Crimean Tatars; Africans; peoples of the Caucasus; people of Central Asia; etc etc.
However, to distract from all this & more, you routinely get bots who transparently attempt the ruse: “But What About America & Jews?!”
Then they try to blame Ukrainian victims of rape, torture & murder for being raped, tortured & murdered. That they were essentially asking for it by being in Putin’s imperial advance (Wobbly1933 hatefully says of the victims “those perfect Ukrainians!”). And the sleazy anti-Semitic attacks against President Zelenskyy. You couldn’t make it up, but they do.
“block negotiations w Russ to end war, despite Kyiv & Moscow apparently being on verge of negotiating peace treaty” - Yeah. Here’s a protip: if Putin’s boundless love & desire for peace were sincere, he would not be illegally invading sovereign neighbours, in imperial wars of conquest, now would he? Come on, now.
“I reported from Eastern and Central Europe in 1989″ - Ah, ffs, man. You’re going to pass off the entire text as your own? That’s one lazy bot.
“NATO, we assumed, had become obsolete” - Scarcely, with states rushing to join the defensive umbrella, such as (the former neutrals) Sweden & Finland, which were forced to join due to the threat posed by expansionist, imperialist Russia. Many other nations desire this protection & its extension; & in Asia (definitionally without NATO territory), states like Taiwan (designated a major non-NATO ally) & South Korea (designated a partner), stand in dire need due to neighbouring threats from aggressive actors.
Putin’s brutal invasion is so mindlessly stupid partly because it is the most effective recruiting sergeant imaginable for NATO.
“painting Russia as a threat” - So, this depiction is not in any respect accurate? You believe the Russian regime to be an irenic partner for peace, representing no threat whatsoever to sovereign neighbours? Precisely how isolated are you?
War is indeed also Putin’s business. His regime is appallingly corrupt, rotten from the head.
All sovereign states make their own constitutional determinations, to join international accords & conventions, or to refrain from joining. The decision rests solely with them. When we kicked the British out, that’s what we did - we made our our own decisions. They’re our nearest - & very powerful - neighbour, but here the people are sovereign. We decide our own course. These decisions rest with the constitutional state itself. You know what all you imperialists can do with your “strong man” imperial power politics. You all belong in the past.
“Are you reading this far?” - Yes, I’m reading entire selections from other people’s words, as established. It’s incumbent upon you to attribute/impute your copy/paste borrowings.
“See how u distort facts & run away from reality” - Reality is not what a prop bot like yourself copy/pastes. Nor is it the ranting distortion of your racial hate sites. You’re clearly in full flight from reality - you’re even pretending to be someone else, ffs. You only came in at the beginning & end, with all your revealing errors (”poof” - sic).
“your words” - Yes, Loewe IQ - my own words. You ought to try it yourself. Or are you too busy reporting “from Eastern & Central Europe in 1989?”
“But you have no answer & your labeling all of these experts are biased is just the poof (sic)” - I’ve comprehensively refuted all of, er, “your” bot talking points (or whoever they belonged to); revealed the truth of your nominated “experts” - what areas they actually operate in, whether those areas are at all relevant (for inst, one is, ambiguously, an “activist”), their biases (Grayzone! Con theorists; intensely discredited), what they have actually said, etc. etc.
That any relevant expert (with pertinent expertise) agrees with your unquestioning support of imperialist invasion & the Putin regime, this you singularly & comprehensively failed to establish.
The point that you’re transparently & consistently evading is that you promised an ever-increasing list of multiple experts in the specific, pertinent field, who agree with your uncritical support. And you have provided no, uh, “poof,” whatsoever.
On the question of bias, it’s absurd to assert that anyone is without bias. That’s merely elementary logic. Who doesn’t know that?
Do you want to come at me with yet another “borrowed” copy/paste “expert?” Anyway, how did you fare, busily reporting “from Eastern & Central Europe in 1989?”
All your ambitions went up in a “poof!”
August 26th, 2023
You’re showing yourself up Narcissist.
And everybody’s watching.
O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
Robert Burns
We can not take you seriously…
We shall not take you seriously…
We need somebody to make us laugh, a guy/girl who can easily outsmart all of us. A narcissist who wants to have the last word and who will never rise to the top in his/her social milieu.
August 27th, 2023
@Loewe
Andrew Bacevich, an eminently sensible man, does not support your positions at all. He merely says that in much of American media there is too much hyperbole.
Nice try, but no banana.
August 27th, 2023
How were you not able to understand this?
I started very clearly talking about Chris Hedges by saying (He says:…)
And ended by saying (And his conclusion was:…)
All the text in between was his (Us, we, I reported from Eastern & Central Europe in 1989 and so on). I made it very clear that it was a direct quotation started and ended on a clear note.
Because you lied and still laying about Chris Hedges, who is a very capable and respected journalist, so I quoted him extensively to show you that you are only playing games no more.
His conclusion didn’t leave any shred of a doubt about his position. Yet you managed to write 3000 words again to refute this? But these were his words and you were clearly lying about this.
His conclusion again was (quoting here AGAIN): The Russian invasion of Ukraine would not have happened if the western alliance had honoured its promises not to expand NATO beyond Germany’s borders and Ukraine had remained neutral. The pimps of war knew the potential consequences of NATO expansion. War, however, is their single minded vocation, even if it leads to a nuclear holocaust with Russia or China.
How could you fabricate and falsify and keep distorting facts? All of these names that I mentioned here were very clear and adamant about who was to blame. They say unequivocally that the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. Putin’s pushback should have come as no surprise. After all, the West had been moving into Russia’s backyard and threatening its core strategic interests, a point Putin made emphatically and repeatedly. Elites in the United States and Europe have been blindsided by events only because they subscribe to a flawed view of international politics. They tend to believe that the logic of realism holds little relevance in the twenty-first century and that Europe can be kept whole and free on the basis of such liberal principles as the rule of law, economic interdependence, and democracy.
How could you write 3000 words to run around this? You are desperate that is why nobody is taking you seriously.
Medea Benjamin has written many great books about Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel and now Ukraine. She was hosted by Chris Hedges few weeks ago and made her point about the war in Ukraine very clear and she supported Hedge’s position. How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
You said she was an anti-Zionist. Of course if it doesn’t suit you, you will be quick to label.
Jeremy Scahill hosted Noam Chomsky few months ago on his show and both criticized the NATO and the west sharply and made them responsible for the mess in Ukraine. How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
Andrew Bacevich and Cornel West both were hosted on Chris Hedge’s show separately. Both of them said that the Ukrainians are paying the price of the US and the West war mongering and the US will fight Russia in Ukraine to the last Ukrainian. How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
The USA supported the expansion NATO into the Baltic countries, then Georgia and now Ukraine. Actually these expansions were opposed then by Paris and Berlin (out of fear that doing so would antagonize Russia too much). But now the American hegemony is so overwhelming that no one left to oppose this insanity. How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
Noam Chomsky actually said recently: there is only one solution to the Ukrainian crisis: the West should “abandon their plan to westernize Ukraine and instead aim to make it a neutral buffer between NATO and Russia. European and American leaders should “encourage Ukraine to respect minority rights, especially the language rights of its Russian speakers.” Of course, the very opposite has been happening. How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
Blaming others for copying when you see that you can’t reply and have no answer! Flooding this site with your hallow and empty words and lying about authors and writers that you don’t know and labeling them all in one setting as anti-west and anti-Israel!
How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
You have no answer to his fact: “The West” and especially the U.S. is “principally responsible for the crisis which began in February 2014″—a crisis that has turned into the current conflict which in its turn could escalate into nuclear war between NATO and Russia.
This position is now being largely taken by the names that I have provided and many other more. How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
Mearsheimer, whom you obviously don’t know well, took this position back in 2014 and until today all of his predictions and warnings are proven to be accurate.
Last month in Germany people demonstrated to end the war in Ukraine and urged their government to stop following the US in this fruitless and costly war. The same happened in France and the trend is growing in Europe. The second winter is coming the situation is becoming dire for most Europeans.
But of course you play games and flood the site with hollow words endlessly to protect your fragile ego.
How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
August 27th, 2023
How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
We can not take you seriously…
We shall not take you seriously…
We need somebody to make us laugh, a guy/girl who can easily outsmart all of us. A narcissist who wants to have the last word and who will never rise to the top in his/her social milieu.
How could you write 3000 words to run around this?
August 28th, 2023
@tenbenson,
Presumably you’ve been following all this. Do you believe you’ve refuted Loewe’s comments with that one paragraph?
Not even a try.
All that can be said for it, is that at least it isn’t 3000 words.
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