A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch Audiobook

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  prick
  April 21st, 2022
  

  Killings for Christianity! The Church started killing unbelievers as early as the 4th century, probably the same for Islam - good stuff

  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch
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  caesar963
  April 22nd, 2022
  

  

  Well named, my phallic friend.

  Christians were being murdered for their faith as early as the First Century AD - from the very beginning. There were more murdered during the last century than all the other centuries combined - a fact you’ll no doubt genocidally enjoy.

  Well done on also getting the historical chronology of Islam totally wrong. But what are established historiographical facts only inconvenient “Fake Nooze,” eh? An attitude shared by your “history isn’t history!” fellow ideological minions (who should’ve arrived by now?).

  Great stuff, Guest, MacCulloch’s work is appropriately epic.

  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch
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  prick
  April 23rd, 2022
  

  well sad, so unbelievers kill christians for about 300 years and christians been killing unbelievers for let say 1500 years, would that be acceptable?

  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch
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  caesar963
  April 23rd, 2022
  

  The unbelievers, as you call ‘em, didn’t confine their mass murder to Christians, in fairness. They were equal opportunities in their genocidal operations. As regards Christians killing actual unbelievers, by which I assume you mean non-theists, do you have any actual numbers on that? Whereas, with ideological anti-theists, the rate & extent of their murders are truly staggering, well in excess of 125 million human beings, forming the bloodiest century in human history.

  And they’re not done yet; merely observe the CCP’s ongoing brutal genocide of the Uyghur people, who are Islamic by custom; networks of savage camps, effectively expunging future generations. Persecution of all religions continues around the world, with no sign of abating. Truly a noble tradition to be a part of.

  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch
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  CaryGooper
  April 25th, 2022
  

  the communists may be atheists, but that doesn’t mean they committed genocide in the name of their theological beliefs. You’re confusing correlation and causation. On the other hand, the Christian religion in its many forms has had a hand in specifically committing mass murder under the guise of god’s will, and spreading the word of god. not to mention that every king was thought to be appointed by the Christian god, and therefore all killings under that monarchy were the will of god, also. and then there are less direct modes of mass murder, like the pope telling Africans not to wear condoms even though AIDS was killing hundreds of thousands of people every year, and their tacit complicity in the crusades and colonialist endeavors, especially by countries like Spain and Portugal etc.

  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch
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  caesar963
  April 25th, 2022
  

  Thanks for the contribution, Gary. Hopefully this won’t be my High Noon.
  There was no confusion about the ideological killing over the last century. Millions of ideologically anti-theist persecutions, murders, & human rights abuses by all the explicitly anti-theist ideological regimes in Russia, China, Nth Korea, South-East Asia, Cambodia, South & Central America, Eastern Europe & throughout Africa. The specific targetting of Orthodox clerics, priests, nuns, ministers & missionaries.
  Not even the most militantly ideological anti-theist would deny these, even out of gross expediency.

  Merely one example, a sample from a few decades of the atheist & anti-theist genocidal ideological regime in Russia as a case in point. According to Lenin, a communist regime cannot remain neutral on the question of religion but must show itself to be merciless towards it. There was no place for the church in such a state.
  Even before the end of the civil war & the establishment of the Soviet Union, the Orthodox Church came under the persecution of the Communist govt. The Soviet govt stood on a platform of militant atheism, viewing the church as an independent, alternative voice with a great influence in society.

  In Aug 1920 Lenin wrote to E.M. Skliansky, Pres of the Revolutionary War Soviet: “We will choke by hand the clergy. There will be an award of 100,000 rubles for each one hanged.”

  The Soviets established atheism as the only truth (see also the Soviet or committee of Znanie which was until 1947 called The League of the Militant Godless). Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden & sometimes led to imprisonment.

  Some actions against Orthodox priests & believers along with execution incl torture being sent to prison camps and/or labour camps or also mental hospitals Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation (see Piteşti prison).

  In the first 5 years after the Bolshevik revolution, 28 bishops & 1,200 priests were executed. This incl people like Elizabeth Fyodorovna, a monastic. Along with her murder was Varvara Yakovleva, a sister from Elizabeth’s convent. These & other religious were herded into the forest, pushed into an abandoned mineshaft and grenades were then hurled into the mineshaft. Her remains were buried in Jerusalem, in the Church of Maria Magdalene.

  The Soviet anti-religious campaign & persecution in the 1920s & 1930s incl the sixth sector of the OGPU, led by Yevgeny Tuchkov, aggressively arrested & executed bishops, priests, & devout worshippers. Some 20,000 people were executed just outside Butovo, incl many clergy.

  The church survived underground, and Freeze argues that the persecution in some ways made it stronger: The “Blood of the Martyrs” phenomenon in evidence.

  According to the official data of the govt Commission on Rehabilitation: in 1937, 136,900 Orthodox clerics were arrested, 85,300 of them were shot dead; in 1938, 28,300 arrested, 21,500 of them shot dead; in 1939, 1,500 arrested, 900 of them shot dead; in 1940, 5,100 arrested, 1,100 of them shot dead.
  You can see from the data, they were literally being killed off. Ergo, genocide.

  The Solovki Special Purpose Camp was estab in the monastery on the Solovetsky Islands in the White Sea. Eight metropolitans, twenty archbishops, and forty-seven bishops of the Orthodox Church died there, along with tens of thousands of the laity. Of these, 95,000 were put to death, executed by firing squad. Fr. Pavel Florensky was one of the New-martyrs of this partic period as well as Metropolitan Joseph (Ivan Petrovykh).

  Many thousands of these victims of persecution were subsequently recognized in a special canon of saints known as the “new-martyrs & confessors of Russia.”

  Globally, the real numbers would be - at this stage - countless. Somewhere inside that awful total of 125-150 million human beings.

  It’s not possible to conveniently separate ideological murderers from the toxic ideology which drives & shapes them. They act in pursuance of their ideological objectives. Their ideological commitment facilitates the most awful, inhuman & merciless actions. It created the most bloody & murderous century in human history, as we know.

  And, as mentioned, the continuing barbaric genocide of the Islamic Uyghur people by the CCP, in their networks of brutal concentration camps. Such persecution of all religions continues globally with no end in sight.

  Also, to imagine that the bellicose actions of every King can be imputed to Christianity & God is certainly to confuse correlation & causation. Wars are fought for reasons of territory, resources, power & fear (extreme political ideology may be subsumed under those rubrics, of course) - it may be convenient for kings, regimes, movements & activists to expediently assert that “God did it” - but we should always follow the money, in this regard.

  In actual fact, the Church during the Middle Ages attempted to rein in & restrict the violent power & actions of monarchs & nobles through, inter alia, two initiatives: The Peace of God & Truce of God movements. These were actually the first mass peace movements in history. This “zone of safety” effort was one of the reasons that villages tended to develop in the orbit of churches, which functioned as a region of immunity, where violence was prohibited under ongoing peace regulations.

  Important to also note that the Church created the concept & doctrine of human rights, based on Imago Dei; and the first international human rights treaty was formulated & sponsored by the Church (initiated in my own benighted country).
  St. Augustine & Thomas Aquinas also developed Just War theory, in an effort to civilise this unfortunate fact of realpolitik.

  As to colonialism & this necessary function of speaking truth to power, it must also be known that it was the Church, specifically the Dominicans to begin with, which condemned Spanish imperial abuses in the Americas, and stood in fierce defence of indigenous peoples. It should be noted that this was the first such condemnation from within an empire of the empire itself.

  This tradition continued into the 20th century with the Liberation Theology movement & the Jesuits. When Archbishop Romero begged President Carter to stop arming the fascists in his country, he was shot dead while saying Mass. Their slogan was: “Be a patriot, kill a priest!” Many nuns were also targeted, raped & murdered by such ideologues.
  We’re not perfect, but sometimes we get it right, Gary.

  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch
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  dchant
  August 13th, 2022
  

  

  Thank you so much

  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch
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  maddiemum
  May 19th, 2023
  

  

  Thank you so much for sharing this.

  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch
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  Parthbajaj12
  October 30th, 2023
  

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  A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years - Diarmaid MacCulloch

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