Divided World, Divided Class: Global Political Economy and the Stratification of Labour Under Capitalism - Zak Cope Audiobook

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  caesar963
  February 2nd, 2023
  

  I agree: Free Hong Kong, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria - and all other peoples enslaved by despotic, genocidal ideology; also end the brutal invasion of Ukraine!

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  FreePalestine
  February 2nd, 2023
  

  Stop smoking crack. Apartheid colonialist Israel and the USA, both founded on genocide, are the concerns you should have.

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  caesar963
  February 2nd, 2023
  

  So you’re not concerned about any of the human beings suffering under those genocidal ideologies, tyrannical regimes, or brutal invasions? Even though those victim populations are suffering appallingly? You do realise that the book does cite the entire globe? Why does the suffering of all of those millions of people not matter to you at all?

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  Webby1948
  February 2nd, 2023
  

  

  The following is intended as a response to the first commenter, but by the time I changed the VPN location and logged on, FP beat me to it.

  Hong Kong belongs to China. You may as well say ‘free California’. Venezuela should be allowed to live free from sanctions and USA interference.Same with Cuba. Neither of the last two mentioned are allowed to trade free of restrictions. Syria is fighting terrorist forces funded by America while The USA squats in a third of the country stealing its oil.
  North Korea and Iran seem to have despotic and tyrannical systems but as most of what I read of those states is through the Western media which lie consistently it would be interesting to get the view of people who live in those countries instead of being told what to think by news sources that have fed us lies for some years now. Curious how the countries America wants to ‘free’ have massive oil reserves.
  As for Ukraine. Who doesn’t want to see an end to it? America for one, Ukraine fascists for another. And Western countries keep supplying weapons to keep it going. There’s no sign of any will for negotiations and Ukraine will probably end up a landlocked state.
  ‘peoples enslaved by despotic, genocidal ideology’ is just purple prose that throws a ’seamless garment’ of fabricated outrage over situations that are far more complex and sinister than they have been made to appear and you are willing to believe.

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  caesar963
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  “Hong Kong belongs to China” - You mean that the victims of authoritarian oppression do not deserve any human rights or consideration? You then support what’s being done to people? Why?
  !Hong Kong - free California” - You’re making a direct correspondence & equivalence between the people of California & what is being done to protestors for human rights & democracy under the tyranny of China? Try to explain & justify this.
  China also oppresses other groups within its unfree system - including the ongoing genocide of the Uyghur people. Why does their suffering not matter either?

  Venezuela has been destroyed by failed ideology, with domestically-sourced fake elections, unconstitutional tyranny, massive corruption, gross incompetence, violations of human rights, condemned by Human Rights Watch & Amnesty, supported by other despotic regimes around the globe - all the usual stuff mindless ideologues support.

  Cuba: suppression of democracy & violations of human rights - concentration camp system included concentration camps for gay people specifically. Massively corrupt regime also.

  Syria: brutal tyrant Assad supported by brutal tyrant Putin. Same catalogue of murders & human rights abuses. Truly appalling regime.

  “North Korea & Iran seem despotic systems…” - You doubt it?! - “but most of what I read of those states is through Western media which lie consistently” - Oh, of course you doubt it. Decades of tyrannical oppression, concentration camps & vast witness testimony no longer in the frame then. Brilliant.

  “being told what to think by news that have fed us lies yrs now” - Such as Russian state-controlled propaganda? And those of the other despotic, non-democratic, human rights violating regimes? Some people actually believe that hateful, anti-democratic bumf!

  “Curious how countries Amer wants to ‘free’ have massive oil reserves” - Cuba? Afghanistan? North Korea? Protection of South Korea, Taiwan & vitally supporting the peace process in the North of Ireland? (Ukraine ranks 51st in the world in terms of oil reserves, & accounts for about 0.0% of the world’s total oil reserves.)

  “As for Ukraine. Who doesn’t want see end to it?” - Some actually want a Putin victory!

  “Ukraine fascists” - No Russian fascists? No power-obsessed invaders & murderers? Let’s remember all of the Ukrainian victims - civilians, children & soldiers who have been maimed & murdered. Ukrainians just want to live their lives like everyone else, and not be bombed & murdered.

  As a result of the invasion by the despotic Putin, Ukrainians fervently hope for & desperately need the means by which they can defend themselves from the continuing brutal violence & bombing by the Russian forces. Western democracies are supplying the Ukrainian people.

  “There’s no sign of any will for negotiations” - We can certainly all agree that Russia ought not have brutally invaded a neighbouring country - at any time - and should certainly withdraw immediately & compensate the Ukrainian population & victims of gratuitous, barbaric violence.

  The ‘peoples enslaved by despotic, genocidal ideology’ in the enumerated non-democratic tyrannies truly do exist in states & conditions far more “sinister than they have been made to appear.” It’s always far worse than we can conceive under extreme ideological systems.

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  Gweilo
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  @Webby1948 “Hong Kong belongs to China.”

  As someone who lived half his life in Hong Kong, screw you. Hong Kong people have lost their freedom. Whether they “belong” to China or not, does not negate their human rights.

  Note: “freedom” does not mean “independence”, despite the CCP insisting anyone who wants freedom is a tool of the CIA and locking them up indefinitely.

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  Gweilo
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  PS. China promised, in writing, a lot of rights to the people of Hong Kong. And now locks up anyone who demands them.

  See https://historyaudio.org/audio-books/the-impossible-city-a-hong-kong-memoir-karen-cheung/
  for a Hongkonger’s perspective.

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  FreePalestine
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  Whilst it’s unarguably true that ‘Hong Kong belongs to China’ in the international political state-based world of territorial ownership (and more importantly ‘doesn’t belong to the UK’) that doesn’t mean ‘it should’….

  I still feel that states ARE the problem, globally and that Peoples and not States should have primacy…and therefore all violations of human rights should be taken seriously and in good faith. The issue is 963 isn’t a good faith actor.

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  caesar963
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  “all violations of human rights should be taken seriously & in good faith” - Absolutely correct.

  However, rather than honestly taking “all violations of human rights seriously & in good faith” - you immediately & deceitfully diverted to your hated “Israel & USA” in isolation, as “the concerns you should have.”

  This is the propaganda approach that consistently makes you a bad faith actor, FreeP.

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  FreePalestine
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  States are not People/Peoples/Individuals. You need to learn the basic concepts here before you wade in with the big boys, it seems.

  It’s perfectly fine to detest the German Nazi State of the 1930s and not hate the german people. You make people into States and then pick and choose what upsets you. Be consistant.

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  caesar963
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  You evidence yet more deceitful bad faith. You’re again trying to distract from your slavish support of despotic regimes & genocidal ideologies.
  And you immediately & deceitfully diverted to your hated “Israel & USA” - so why are you trying to expediently equivocate on what constitutes a state? That does not remotely help you, if you knew it. Do you even know the argument you’re making here?

  “You make people into States” - I always condemn regimes & ideologies, which are ineluctably represented by people & parties (they don’t exist in an abstruse Realm of Forms).
  This is why decent people condemn the anti-democratic, tyrannical regimes of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, the Castros, Franco, Putin, Assad, Mugabe, the Iranian regime, the Kims, etc. etc.
  In addition to all of their genocidal, mindless ideologies, which have caused untold human suffering.
  This is the consistency your bad faith cannot attain.

  Thus, “all violations of human rights should be taken seriously & in good faith” - So why can’t you condemn them all unreservedly, consistently, and without further equivocation or evasion?

  Oy. And uncritically supporting genocidal ideologies & brutal, sadistic dictators (possibly because you think they’re cool?) does not make you a “big boy,” in point of fact, it renders you merely another ignorantly useful id!ot.

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  FreePalestine
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  Tilting against windmills eh? It’s pointless, and boringly so, to constantly argue against a point that hasn’t been made: there isn’t a person here who can’t see through your tactic in these ‘debates’ , which in truth are more akin to monologue-rants.

  The fact of the matter is that ‘democracy’ of the White-Western-Variety that you so cherish is sadly no such thing - but your slavish adulation of the military industrial complex and anti-arab Islamophobia means that you’re again ignoring the reality of the situation when it doesn’t suit your (racist) world view.

  There is no reason to be a champion of despotic regimes , anywhere, at any time – by all means be a good faith anti-state anarchist who’s keen to learn more about how power and hierarchy works. Wrestle with it’s contradictions, navigate your way through the injustices of the world, all the way applying consistent ethical practices to all you encounter. But you don’t seemingly do that…..

  But that doesn’t mean it’s not entire expected that despotic regimes will pop up and take hold when they’re supported by the West in order to destabilise regions in their quest for riches and resources – colonial or neo-colonial practices are well documented and not even you could argue they don’t exist and aren’t, tragically, very effective. There’s a reason Africa is riven with corrupt governments: ‘we’ keep them in power and fuel their corrupt practices. Go read a book on Patrice Lumumba perhaps?

  But then I forget, you don’t read/listen to any of these books you rant against – you are the definition of a Daily Mail reading reactionary dullard who’s perfectly content to suck off your imperialist overloads if it suits your racist agenda. The irony that you might even be Irish so should know better isn’t lost on me. Go figure eh…

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  Hogweed
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  The way I see it, Americans and Europeans worked VERY hard to build these countries, and achieve the success they had, while allowing anyone else to have that same opportunity. And the fact that for 100+ years people would risk their lives to come here and have that chance only proves it. Everyone else bellyaching about how poor they are, are just lazy, worthless loudmouths who have no idea of what a hard days work is, and sit around complaining instead of getting educated and making a life for themselves. They are confusing bigotry with lazyness. Do I think Capitalism needs to change? Yes, we need less of a wealth gap for sure, but free market enterprise is where people are free to create and develop outside of tyrannical govts, just like Musk doing what he does without Biden trying to destroy what he built.

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  Webby1948
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  

  As usual,C963 has hijacked an upload whose subject is an appeal for a fairer society and an end to inequality, by pivoting discussion away from it. The
  Stratification of Labour under Capitalism is a truly worthwhile subject and increasingly relevant to
  this period in history. But instead of keeping to the subject of exploitation of the ever poorer by the increasingly richer elite, C963 tries to turn the
  comment section once again to his favoured bête noires, fabricating outrage against any expression of socialism while completely ignoring the excesses and abuses of other ideologies.
  Iraq doesn’t get a mention from C963 because the current state of the country is directly attributable to the 2003 illegal war by America and UK. In
  recent rotests in Iraq, 320 people have been killed.
  But on Venezuela:
  ‘Venezuela has been destroyed by failed ideology, with domestically-sourced fake elections, unconstitutional tyranny (?), massive corruption, gross incompetence, violations of human rights, condemned by Human Rights Watch & Amnesty, supported by other despotic regimes around the globe - all the
  usual stuff mindless ideologues support.’
  Sounds like Ukraine in 2014 when The Guardian was writing something near the truth.
  Venezuela has massive oil reserves. Its ideology has not restricted its ability to sell that resource. America has. It has also sanctioned its gold mining
  industry and The Central Bank of Venezuela. Sanctions directed against its crucial resources have crippled its economy and put the blame on socialism.
  As for fake elections, what was fair, constitutional and uncorrupt about America’s declaration of Juan Guaidó as president? It was most certainly not
  ‘domestically-sourced’ which by the way is a term usually applied to coffee beans.
  ‘Cuba: suppression of democracy & violations of human rights - concentration camp system included concentration camps for gay people specifically. Massively corrupt regime also.’
  No mention of Guantanamo Bay, where torture and detention without trial dwarf anything that might be happening elsewhere in Cuba. That American base
  has been situated deliberately in a place that allows unchecked, horrors which would not be permitted under the American constitution. even when its police are killing more civilians than Hong Kong police.
  ‘Syria: brutal tyrant Assad supported by brutal tyrant Putin. Same catalogue of murders & human rights abuses. Truly appalling regime.’
  No actual evidence offered in that paragraph.Instead you resort to assertions that ignore the fact that
  Assad is fighting ISIS and Al Qaeda (?)
  both supported by America and NATO. A war which may have something to do with Syria’s oil (about which its theft by America you have absolutely nothing to say) and the gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe which Assad resisted. ‘Brutal tyrant supported by brutal tyrant’ might make or a bristling sentence but
  it offers nothing in the way of fact to back it up. It relies upon your previously stated point of view which no amount of argument will change.

  “Ukraine fascists” - No Russian fascists? No power-obsessed invaders & murderers? Let’s remember all of the Ukrainian victims - civilians, children & soldiers who have been maimed & murdered. Ukrainians just want to live their lives like everyone else, and not be bombed & murdered.’
  Like they were in the Donbass for 8 years, you mean?
  Ukraine yearly celebrates Bandera day, commemorating the World War II Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, whom Zelensky has praised in numerous interviews since his election. You consistently promote the
  propaganda: that Russia suddenly decided out of the blue to invade Ukraine last February. That the
  invasion did not come at the end of eight years of fighting in the Donbass during which Ukrainian forces led by soldiers in Nazi insignia consistently broke the terms of the Minsk accord which had the stated intention of bringing peace to the region but which
  Angela Merkel has recently admitted was only to get Russia to leave and give Ukraine time to build up its forces. That the coup in Maidan was not
  instigated by America with the intention of destabilising Ukraine and dragging Russia into a costly conflict. And that there aren’t any bio-labs
  around the country installed by American companies mediated through Hunter Biden.’brutally invaded a neighbouring country’. A neighbouring country that
  outlawed the Russian language despite its being the first language of much of the Donbass, and was prepared to install nuclear weapons on the Russian
  border. Imagine Mexico getting away with that.
  By ignoring certain countries and highlighting others C963 displays a preference for the US media’s POV above all others.

  None of this has any bearing on the fact that workers all over the world are seeing decreases in pay while the elites’ wealth is massively increased. And war remains the greatest source of profit for the military/industrial complex.
  I was struck by these figures the other day: the USA has 38 million people living in poverty. Over the past forty years, China has raised 800 million people out of poverty. Clearly, running a society for the benefit of even the poorest, has its benefits.

  In 2021, 895 Palestinians lost their homes,and 319 Palestinians were killed by Israelis. Including 71 kids.Forced evictions, detentions and torture are commonplace. No mention of that by C963 either.Israel is supported by the USA unconditionally, so no need for righteous indignation there.

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  dave5050j
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  @Hogweed your an ignorant f@@l to make the following statement “The way I see it, Americans and Europeans worked VERY hard to build these countries, and achieve the success they had, while allowing anyone else to have that same opportunity.” The books here are free but you don’t seem to read them. If you had you would have read about slavery, colonialism, serfdom, and the roots of capitalism. You see that as equal opportunity!

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  caesar963
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  “Tilting against, etc. etc.” - Yet more transparent, inane efforts at diversion. Far too obvious. Your “discharges” - along with those of the demented Wobbly1933 - remain utterly devoid of meaning, content & reason.

  “fact of the matter is that ‘democracy’ is no such thing” - Rofl. In what manner is this empty assertion/slogan a fact? When my society as a collective entity, comprised of rights-bearing individuals, who are perforce sceptical, informed & vigilant, actually votes for Constitutional amendments, policy positions & directions through the medium of representative liberal democracy, revising our position, if necessary, over the course of time, how do you imagine that constitutes “no such thing?”

  That’s just the liberal democratic tradition in my country, amongst my people - who are constitutionally sovereign. Sorry if you’ve never comprehended that, or your extreme ideology is yet another barrier to your understanding. I observe that you have a very superficial comprehension of even your own narrow ideological orientation here, and its critique of anything other than its own consuming obsession with power.

  “ur slavish adulation “milit indust complex & anti-arab Islamophobia” - How is anything other than vacuous ideological bumf, which you’ve witnessed before & then mindlessly repeat?
  “(racist) world view” - You’re indifferent to the suffering of the Uyghur people (who are also Islamic by faith) under the genocidal Chinese regime; the North Korean people; Iranians; Venezuelans; Cubans; Ukrainians; Russians; Syrians; you hate the Jews (want the annihilation of their country); you deny or refuse to condemn genocide. You are, without any doubt, a racist, an anti-Semite, specifically - and on the the Uyghur people, it can only be concluded that you are also an Islamophobe. Condemn genocide or be an absurd, stupid racist, like Wobbly1933.

  What “alternative fact” sources are you relying upon? Russian state media? The press releases of the Beijing regime? Don’t fret, a desperately confused Heinrich Wobbly wasn’t able to answer this either. But why so embarrassed?

  “There is no reason to be champion of despotic regimes” - Because you refuse to condemn or even criticise such human rights violations, despotic, authoritarian regimes & genocidal ideologies, you are objectively a supporter of them. At all times. And your rampant “Whataboutism?” cannot offer you cover here.

  “anti-state anarchist” - Where has such a system ever successfully operated? Empirical evidence?
  We necessarily participate in the state; we support, fund & maintain it; we derive civil, political, legal, constitutional & human rights under the jurisdiction of the system of rule of law, within the constructive framework of liberal democracy. With our taxes, we pay for civilisation. We support those in need, rather than ideologically consigning them to concentration camps & planning vast famines to remove those “who do not fit” (such as the Uyghur people, whose appalling suffering you expediently ignore, thereby approving it again).

  What is your functioning alternative, your successful exemplar, which does not degenerate into a centrally planned, authoritarian, genocidal, slave state nightmare? Evidence.

  “learn more abt how power and hierarchy works” - Please finally do. At last learn about the ideological Dark Age of the last century; the planned famines (starvation leveraged as a targetted instrument), genocides, weaponised torture, grotesque injustices & abuses, murderous incompetence & corruption, savage wars, power obsession, dehumanisation, Othering, slave states, hatred, racial & social scapegoating, indoctrination & conditioning, societal failure & collapse of your insane ideological pathology. And don’t get fooled again. Particularly concentrate on toxic & extreme ideological conditioning, propaganda & indoctrination. This dimension you will find urgently pertinent to your predicament.

  “Wrestle with it’s contradictions, navig way thru injustices world, apply consist ethic practices all u encount. But u don’t seem do that” - I condemn all human rights violations & genocidal ideological regimes. Always have. Where do you do any of these things of which you speak - other than selectively? Bluntly deploying your platitudinous ploy of “Whataboutism?”

  “despot regimes support by West in ord destabilise regions quest for riches/resources” - Is this only ever wrong when Western states engage it? Or would you also condemn Russia, & all the other regimes & ideologies? And why don’t you? Why not attempt consistency on this at the very least?

  “colonial/neo-colon practices are well documented” - Indeed they are! And you prove my point. If you’re referring to NATO, sovereign countries have the sovereign right to join international entities - and they do - particularly when the local hegemon is terrorising, brutalising & invading its neighbours. These victim countries need to protect their citizens. They have a duty to do so. There shouldn’t have to be millions of refugees desperately trying to escape Russia’s terror, imperialism & barbaric bombing.

  This is Russia’s imperialism, just as it was the Soviet tradition of barbaric imperialism. Except no country’s people had the democratic choice to be in the Warsaw Pact - all captive populations, as we know. This, in addition to China’s imperialism, and all the other despotic regimes. Do you consistently include & condemn all of these regimes in your critique? Or do you expediently & selectively ignore them again? Driven once more by toxic, mindless ideological imperatives?

  “There’s reason Africa riven w corrupt govts: ‘we’ keep them in power & fuel their corrupt practices. Go read bk on Patrice Lumumba?” - Indeed, massive corruption, failed & semi-failed states abound. P’haps go read a book on the ideological destruction of Somalia & Angola; the catastrophic famine & wars of the Ethiopian regime, the brutal dictatorship & social destruction of Robt Mugabe’s regime, exploitation by the Chinese regime, etc. etc. Consider the full spectrum, not merely another of your narrowly selective, self-serving, ideological sampling.

  “u don’t read/list to any of these bks u rant against” - You demonstrate above (& repeatedly your own willed ignorance & extreme, narrow ideological commitments). The only task of the person who witnesses your falsehood is to observe what you write, and then quote you back to yourself. Such as when another commenter cited the genocidal ideological history of Russia, and you reacted “What genocides? Do tell?” Nobody can be that historically & politically ignorant by accident. It truly & eloquently delineates your sincere commitment to human rights & human beings, does it not?

  “the defin of Daily Mail reading reactionary dullard” - It’s perfectly possible (& far more accurate) to observe that you are a bewilderingly ignorant, uneducated, ideologically useful id!ot - that you manifestly revel in that shameful tradition; a racist tankie who delightedly “sucks off” (as you say) your ideologically imperialist masters; that you do not scruple to defend the most appalling regimes & genocidal ideologies; who’s prepared to do anything to promote failed, inhuman, broken ideology & unfree systems of violent repression. And of course, my Irishness offends you (just like your Jew hatred, eh?) - a typical Daily Hate Mailer, instrumentalising “race” in order to score cheap points. Yeah, we know your imperialism, tankie, across each of its barbaric ideological manifestations.

  But what would be the point of engaging in all that, ay? Reminding you that you’re a racist dullard, and all that palaver?

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  FreePalestine
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  Did you really just write all that!? It’s Friday night! Get out son!

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  caesar963
  February 3rd, 2023
  

  Movie’s on, not a caesar pick, so I thought why not type a demolition ‘n refutation of genocidal ideologues? Tbh, I’m fairly appalled at your racism there, how extensive & deep it is. It does seem to have the contours of British racism? The net does tend to bring that out of you guys. Like your fellows over on the War on Disabled People.
  Anyways, why aren’t you “out” tankie?

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  Ma554creF45ci5ts
  May 7th, 2023
  

  

  @caesar963 into the cuck pit :]

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  itsbigtime
  December 4th, 2025
  

  please seed again, would love to read this!!

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