The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe Audiobook

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  idscariotXIII
  July 7th, 2023
  

  

  Thank you!

  The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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  caesar963
  July 7th, 2023
  

  Unmitigated Pappe.

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  johndunbar
  July 7th, 2023
  

  

  Thank you so much

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  iangel
  July 7th, 2023
  

  Thank you so much

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  bugagagashenki
  July 7th, 2023
  

  Prolonged and tragic because every other refugee group on Earth has been absorbed and moved on, but these poor people get used for political gain and get radicalized.

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  alternateangel17
  July 8th, 2023
  

  i’ve never understood how this stays an issue. i mean, the world (UN) got together and gave the territory to the jews to partially make amends for the holocaust. how is that not the end of the debate? a territorial claim doesn’t get any more legitimate than a mandate from a world congress. yeah, it displaced people, but not the first or last time that happened. people groups forcefully displacing each other has always been the historical norm. sad for the weaker said, but that’s life on planet earth. Also, getting occupied is what happens when you lose a war.

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  dave5050j
  July 8th, 2023
  

  @aalternateangel17 that’s BS! Its not a war when one side has all the guns, its a cleansing.

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  caesar963
  July 8th, 2023
  

  Well, it is a postwar state of affairs, following a series of wars: Israel’s War of Independence, 1948/49; Six-Day War, 1967; Yom Kippur War, 1973; together with other outbreaks & conflicts. Several Arab countries attacked Israel in coalition, trying to “cleanse” the Jews again. They had lots of guns. They all failed. The countries that repeatedly attacked & terrorised the ancient homeland of the Jewish people are all themselves nightmarish, despotic hellholes.

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  Loewe
  July 9th, 2023
  

  

  The world works like the Mafia, and the U.S. is the don. “You do what we say or else.” Israel is on its way to becoming a pariah state, yet like South Africa, it receives increasingly lonely U.S. support.

  In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid. To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by “apartheid” we mean South African-style apartheid. What’s happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse. There’s a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce. It was 85 percent of the workforce of the population, and that was basically their workforce. They needed them. They had to sustain them. The bantustans were horrifying, but South Africa did try to sustain them. They didn’t put them on a diet. They tried to keep them strong enough to do the work that they needed for the country. They tried to get international support for the bantustans.

  The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just don’t want them. They want them out, or at least in prison. And they’re acting that way. That’s a very striking difference, which means that the apartheid analogy, South African apartheid, to the Occupied Territories is just a gift to Israeli violence. It’s much worse than that. If we look inside Israel, there’s plenty of repression and discrimination.
  So, who are really the despotic hellholes here?

  This is also a very informative and honest book. It would be nice if anyone can share it:

  In the Land of Israel
  By: Amos Oz

  Thanks in advance!

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  caesar963
  July 9th, 2023
  

  …more hateful, racist effluent. Because “the Jeeewz!” must always be worse than everyone else.
  “Who are really the despotic hellholes here?” - Self-evidently, the countries that repeatedly attacked & terrorised the ancient homeland of the Jewish people are all themselves nightmarish, despotic hellholes; with the most appalling records on human rights, anti-democratic, with conditions of slavery, subjugation of women, judicial murder of gay people, persecution of those who are different, sponsoring of terror, denial of fundamental rights, and on and on.

  They seek to distract their populations with time-honoured Jew hatred. Concentrate on Israel, and no one’s concentrating on those regimes. And Jew-hating scapegoating has always been quite easy to internationalise.
  — “Have you seen what only the Jeeewz! are doing now?” - “Yes. I have always needed to believe in the distracting uniqueness of their evil, and I find that bitter hatred to be quite comforting. After all, the Protocols & Mein Kampf courageously warned us all, didn’t they? And Hamas, together with other tyrannical regimes, emerge as expediently heroic in this contrived frame, et cetera.” — That kind of warmed-over old shyte.

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  Loewe
  July 10th, 2023
  

  

  In the Arab world the United States blocks democracy and development and supports harsh dictators and they do it to get control over the people and the land.

  There are constant democratic uprisings in that region. They are crushed by the dictators mainly the US, Britain, and France support. So sure, there is no democracy because you crush it all. You could have said the same about Latin America: a long series of dictators, brutal murderers. As long as the US controls the hemisphere, or Europe before it, there is no democracy, because it gets crushed.

  The U.S., Israel and their allies will do anything they can to prevent authentic democracy in the Arab world. The reason is very simple. Across the region, an overwhelming majority of the population regards the United States as the main threat to their interests. In fact, opposition to U.S. policy is so high that a considerable majority think plainly that the U.S. and its allies are not going to want governments which are responsive to the will of the people. If that happens, not only will the U.S. not control the region, but it will be thrown out. So that’s obviously an intolerable result.

  Bottomline, in the West we don’t pay any attention: as long as dictatorships control people, what do we care!

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  caesar963
  July 10th, 2023
  

  It’s too easy to blame the “evil other” for your problems. Whether the hated Jew or the Great Satan (& it’s always these). It’s a standard bullshyte move - expedient, reductive & false. It’s a bogus excuse for never changing. “We just can’t stop killing gays & subjugating women because, well, Jews, I suppose.” There is no tradition of liberal democracy or fundamental human rights. That’s the real situation. And who suffers? You know well who suffers.

  When people do vote, it’s for extremists - witness Turkey, Egypt; the Palestinians vote for Hamas, ffs.
  In Europe, our trade agreements & foreign aid are contingent on the fostering & protection of fundamental human rights, the rule of law, labour rights, women’s rights & democratic liberties - but universal rights & liberal democracy are then dismissed as detested “Western” traditions. Forever alien & odious.

  I come from a country that tries to use whatever credibility it has in these vain efforts at moral suasion. Such capital as we have is based on the fact that we never colonised or engaged in exploitative imperialism. Indeed we were the victims of some of the most brutal imperialism, dispossession & exploitation - not for a matter of decades - but for eight centuries, with some arguing that it never really ceased. So, you can take your “there is no democracy because you crush it all,” & propel it somewhere painful.

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  Anots
  July 12th, 2023
  

  

  Thank you so much for sharing!

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  Loewe
  July 12th, 2023
  

  

  If enough people tell the same lies often enough, they become indistinguishable from the truth, and are widely accepted as such despite any amount of evidence to the contrary. Equally, if different people tell enough different lies on any issue, the truth is effectively obscured, however obvious it may be. These two phenomena are fundamental to the complex facade of false images that the west has established in order to project itself as a champion of ‘democracy’ and morality in the world, and a defender of the rights and interests of ordinary people. Such is the west’s skill, moreover, that much of this ludicrous self-projection is accepted even by its enemies and victims.

  The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe

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